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George Cuba: In response to observations

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George Cuba: In response to observations

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In response to Erik Vargas:

I agree with Erik Vargas' statement, "When you see the large gap between your prophesied success and your failure, you feel the need to live up to standards. This creates motivation to not look like a failure." Erik has a point when we get motivation to live up to our invented standards. Simply, if I say, "I made a 200 on the PSAT (or any test for that matter) this year," I should, or face ridicule, be able to prove to my colleagues that I improved (largely or slightly) my score when I take it next year, which will prove that I previously could have attained a PSAT score of 200 (not that I have, but you get the idea). Although lying in different situations can affect the end result (a bankrupt company is obviously more damaging than a ridiculed colleague to the global context), the lying can promote motivation, on the side of the liar, in order to live up to his claim because he does not want to below his peers (at the same social level as him, or even further below with his superiors). Simply summarized, humans are social creatures and have a social hierarchy, which all want to climb, but not fall from.

In response to Kenia:

I slightly disagree with Kenia's response to her quote: "'We want explanations for why we behave as we do and for the ways the world around us functions." We are the cause of our worlds function, yet we lie to ourself and blame other people for it when everyone plays a role.' My argument is that we are not the cause of our worlds function if Ariely is referencing Earth (Mother Earth will continue to support life even when humans are gone, albeit less organized, less advanced, and in less turmoil), but if he is referencing the operation of society, then we are the cause of its function (people will function only in the presence of other people (humans are social creatures). However, I agree that we lie to ourselves that we are good, or even perfect, when we have society to take care of what we, generally, can't (such as donating to charities, giving back to the community, protecting the environment, activities that involve a group within a community within society), and blame other people for mistakes, wrongdoings, and disasters (that sometimes we may commit) because if "they" participated, then why didn't "they" avoid/solve/stop the problem too? Why must I alone be held accountable?

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Eappen said: "Erik said: When people make these false claims that simply boost their ego, to what extent does this effect their motivations? If you say that you've run a 7 minute mile, yet you actually haven't, how guilty do you feel? How much guilt does it take you to work towards achieving that 7 minute mile? Clearly, we feel obligated to live up to our claims. Isn't this an advantage to dishonesty?

In response to this, I wanted to bring up the example presented in the book about the dishonest man taking the test within Chapter 7. He only knew that he did 50 questions correctly, but he reported to have completed 75, which was a lie made so as to make himself look better. The effect of this, as already seen later in the book, is that it leads to a lie that can lead to very drastic consequences as your performance is overstated. You're made to sit on a pedestal composed of lies to deliver on a job/task that you can't really achieve. This can lead to failed expectations and all other sorts of calamities, so I couldn't really say that this is an advantage to dishonesty."

When you see the large gap between your prophesied success and your failure, you feel the need to live up to standards. This creates motivation to not look like a failure,

who wants to look like a failure D:

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"We want explanations for why we behave as we do and for the ways the world around us functions."

We are the cause of our worlds fuction, yet we lie to ourself and blame other people for it when everyone plays a role.

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Chase said "I think that the story about coin logic from Chapter 7 pages 167-168 is a really good way to explain the phenomenon of rationalizing lying to ourselves. Repeating a coin toss until you get the result that you subconsciously desire is an everyday occurrence. This can show everyday readers how they rationalize their irrational behavior."

I really think that the fact that people can do this is funny, Its easier to say "Oh, that one didn't count" than to straight up say it. Why?

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Chase said: Chapter 7: I think that the story about coin logic from Chapter 7 pages 167-168 is a really good way to explain the phenomenon of rationalizing lying to ourselves. Repeating a coin toss until you get the result that you subconsciously desire is an everyday occurrence. This can show everyday readers how they rationalize their irrational behavior.

I agree with this point; to some extent, we always to get an expected outcome, instead of the unexpected one, so when confronted with a result that doesn't really satisfy us, we try to weasel around it and try to mold it to our expectations. Going one step further, we try to modify the result so that it fits our desired one. It shows how humans are always willing to distort their view in order to match up their mentality, or their view on reality.

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Nusrat said "I like how in chapter 7, Dan Ariely notices that some people are good at deception. In fact, some of the pathological liars are more able to make more connections between different memories and ideas."

I agree with her observations verily in the mention of memories and ideas in lying.

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Edith said, "Would we lie in any situation under pressure? If our lie is believed are we gonna continue with the lie?"

I believe that people will lie if under pressure because the cost of being caught or whatever pressure situation one is in, doesn't out-weigh the benefit. People will lie to make sure that they are secure in their mind. I do belive that if we lie enough that we could ppssibly start to believe that lie that one is telling because one would be so engrossed in that lie that it will start to become a reality.

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"I started observing the infectious nature of cheating in other places as well- including in my own class."

People often cheat on everything they can when they have the chance to do so .

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"I began wondering whether someone could be infected with an "immorality bug." (Chapter 8, Pg. 192)

I for some reason would like to bring out STD's (not literally of course, yikes). How does sex, and affection towards others, affect your fudge factor? Once seeing that love of yours commit an act of dishonesty, how much different would this affect you as opposed to being influenced by a stranger? But also, how would you see them now? There's the possibility that you could be disgusted by them or maybe it could influence you to taking a walk on the wild side.

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Rebecca said, "When we lie for another person's benefit, we call it 'white lie.' When we tell a white lie, we're expanding the fudge factor, but we're not doing it for selfish reasons." (R) In this we notice that people find lying acceptable at some point, but only when it is to help someone out. Instead of leaving guilt behind, it leaves with the hope of that person having your back in the future.

This relates because people do feel that lying for another's benefit to certain point would be considered honest because of that relationship that a person and their friend has made to where they can lie for each other to make sure that they would be secure in their minds.

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Mr. Bolin commented on Jalyn's post

"Jalyn said: "The moral of this story? We may not always know exactly why we do what we do, choose what we choose, or feel what we feel. But the obscurity of our real motivations doesn’t stop us from creating perfectly logical-sounding reasons for our actions, decisions, and feelings."

In response to this, I want to talk about the young lady in the split-brain experiment. They manipulated her into laughing, she laughed, and then they asked her why she laughed. She made up a reason. Why did she do that? Is this something we experience, too?"

I agree with both of these observations. People everywhere make up stories to justify their irrational actions, like saying that brand name chips are better than generic brand because of the brand itself.

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"Pull a quarter out of your pocket and say to yourself, “Camera A is heads, camera B is tails.” Then toss the coin. If the coin comes up heads and camera A is the one you wanted, good for you, go buy it. But if you’re not happy with the outcome, start the process again, saying to yourself, “The next toss is for real.” Do this until the coin gives you tails. You’ll not only get camera B, which you really wanted all along, but you can justify your decision because you only followed the “advice” of the coin."

(C) - In this experiment you do it over and over again until you come up with the choice you wanted. I do this all the time. When I can't decide on something I'll flip a coin. If I don't like the outcome I'll do it until I get something I want.

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I agree with Eappen

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I agree with ea

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Erik said: When people make these false claims that simply boost their ego, to what extent does this effect their motivations? If you say that you've run a 7 minute mile, yet you actually haven't, how guilty do you feel? How much guilt does it take you to work towards achieving that 7 minute mile? Clearly, we feel obligated to live up to our claims. Isn't this an advantage to dishonesty?

In response to this, I wanted to bring up the example presented in the book about the dishonest man taking the test within Chapter 7. He only knew that he did 50 questions correctly, but he reported to have completed 75, which was a lie made so as to make himself look better. The effect of this, as already seen later in the book, is that it leads to a lie that can lead to very drastic consequences as your performance is overstated. You're made to sit on a pedestal composed of lies to deliver on a job/task that you can't really achieve. This can lead to failed expectations and all other sorts of calamities, so I couldn't really say that this is an advantage to dishonesty.

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As Rebeca qouted "When we lie for another person's benefit, we call it 'white lie.' When we tell a white lie, we're expanding the fudge factor, but we're not doing it for selfish reasons."

I agree we lie to someone we care or know to one gain their trust and secondly to make our own self feel good that we helped them gain confidence or just the fact they trust us.

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ATTENTION ATTENTION WHO EVER SPELLED MY NAME WITH AN "I", STOP, IT'S HURTING MY FEELINGS

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ATTENTION ATTENTION WHO EVER SPELLED MY NAME WITH AN "I", STOP, IT'S HURTING MY FEELINGS

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As Edith said: "Would we lie in any situation under pressure? If our lie is believed are we gonna continue with the lie?"

I think anyone would lie under pressure and if the lie was well said and believed from everyone of course the lie will be continued. Who would deny their lie when it is already believed by everyone.

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"We wanted to see if the customers who had been so rudely ignored...provoked people in the annoyance condition to cheat much, much more." (Chapter 7, Pg. 178)

Bringing in Ariely's whole argument, how prone are bankers to "restore karma" once they've been ignored or /done wrong/? This places the banker in the victim position, so this brings up another argument: maybe we have the ultimate say in determining just how much bankers commit these so called atrocities. It's not so much that people are innately a little evil, it might actually be that they see them selves as doing the right thing by doing the wrong thing because we did the wrong thing to them.

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"If we extrapolate these findings to the general population, we might say that higher brain connectivity could make it easier for any of us to lie and at the same time think of ourselves as honorable creatures. After all, more connected brains have more avenues to explore when it comes to interpreting and explaining dubious events—and perhaps this is a crucial element in the rationalization of our dishonest acts." (Chapter 7)

(Q) So the higher the brain activity the more easier it is to lie? (P) If that is the case and it  was easier for people to lie, we would be living in a world where there was almost no honesty because people can lie so much more easily. People would be lying from left to right fro their own benefit because it is just that easy to lie to get what you want.

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"Facts are for people who lack the imagination to create their own truth." -anonymous

There are many followers, not many people are original.

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The experiment done in chapter 8, where people cheat when there's someone from their own school cheating, reminds me of what we did in psychology last year. A group of collage kids took a test, there was one student that wasn't from their school. The one student cheated and finished the test first but none of the others followed. In another group the same was done but the person that cheated belonged in that college. With this happening more students cheated as well. I think that because our friend or someone familiar to us does something we are influenced to do the same.

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Chapter 8: "....I started observing the infectious nature of cheating in other places as well- including in my own class." (Chapter 8 Pg. 195)

This raises a good question. Does our actions, even subtly, affect the actions of others? Could cheating over time create a less honest society? Furthermore, does this occur more so with teenagers, who are more impressionable in their youth?

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Devyn said: "During one of Ariely's experiments in chapter 8 he had his class pledge to not use their laptops other than for school purposes in his class he said that it worked for the first few weeks, but as the semester drew on he noticed more and more of the screens were opened to non class related websites. If one student went to a website for something non class related another student would follow. A bad apple, people seem to follow other people, even when they know it's wrong."

This relates with us because we might follow teachers instructions for a while until someone does otherwise. We follow what our peers do even when we know it's not the good thing to do because we see that there wasn't consequences when one person did it.

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Nusrat said:

"I like how in chapter 7, Dan Ariely notices that some people are good at deception. In fact, some of the pathological liars are more able to make more connections between different memories and ideas." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I agree with her responce.

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Edith said: "Would we lie in any situation under pressure? If our lie is believed are we gonna continue with the lie?"

In response to this I think that many people would continue with the lie. People usually lie to get out of trouble and if the lie is helping them then I think that they're going to stick to lying if it's helping the situatuon that they're in.

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Lying requires creativity and intelligence. (in chapter 7)

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"I knew it all along feeling" we have a natural tendency to convince ourselves that we knew the right answer to something all along." Dan Ariely talks about how during his lectures he would often get people say that they knew or predicted the results to the experiments all along.

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"Facts are for people who lack the imagination to create their own truth. — ANONYMOUS" (Chapter 7) (Q) So if you have imagination, you are creating your own truth? If you don’t have imagination, you don’t have an original truth? (E) I think ANONYMOUS is trying to say that when one has imagination, they have the ability to create something that is new and creative that makes an honest truth in their own mind. I think ANONYMOUS is saying that people who use facts instead of their imagination to find truth, lack the ability to find themselves. They’re saying that they cannot find the truth within themselves so the person has to resort to other opinions and facts to find the truth.

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Chapter 7: I think that the story about coin logic from Chapter 7 pages 167-168 is a really good way to explain the phenomenon of rationalizing lying to ourselves. Repeating a coin toss until you get the result that you subconsciously desire is an everyday occurrence. This can show everyday readers how they rationalize their irrational behavior.

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"When we lie for another person's benefit, we call it 'white lie.' When we tell a white lie, we're expanding the fudge factor, but we're not doing it for selfish reasons."

(R) In this we notice that people find lying acceptable at some point, but only when it is to help someone out. Instead of leaving guilt behind, it leaves with the hope of that person having your back in the future.

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"We persist in deceiving ourselves in part to maintain a positive self-image. We gloss over our failures, highlight our successes (even when they're not entirely our own), and love to blame other people and outside circumstances when our failures are undeniable." This is very true for all of us. Everyone thinks of themselves as perfect people who could do no wrong. We don't want to show

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NOW BACK TO us. As humans, we have slightly more sophisticated means of puffing ourselves up than our animal counterparts. We have the ability to lie—not just to others but also to ourselves.

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"NOW BACK TO us. As humans, we have slightly more sophisticated means of puffing ourselves up than our animal counterparts. We have the ability to lie—not just to others but also to ourselves. NOW BACK TO us. As humans, we have slightly more sophisticated means of puffing ourselves up than our animal counterparts. We have the ability to lie—not just to others but also to ourselves."

(E) - I think Dan Ariely wants to tell us that we lie to everyone, ourselves included. We lie to ourselves so much that eventually start to believe them.

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People don't always know the reason why they have the feelings or do the things they do and not always have a reason for their actions. Even if this is true what makes us do what we do? Is it to build up our ego?

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I like how in chapter 7, Dan Ariely notices that some people are good at deception. In fact, some of the pathological liars are more able to make more connections between different memories and ideas.

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"You tell your friend that you've run a mile under seven minutes...you might even be willing to bet money on it." (Chapter , Pg. 142-143)

When people make these false claims that simply boost their ego, to what extent does this effect their motivations? If you say that you've run a 7 minute mile, yet you actually haven't, how guilty do you feel? How much guilt does it take you to work towards achieving that 7 minute mile? Clearly, we feel obligated to live up to our claims. Isn't this an advantage to dishonesty?

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Jalyn said: "The moral of this story? We may not always know exactly why we do what we do, choose what we choose, or feel what we feel. But the obscurity of our real motivations doesn’t stop us from creating perfectly logical-sounding reasons for our actions, decisions, and feelings."

In response to this, I want to talk about the young lady in the split-brain experiment. They manipulated her into laughing, she laughed, and then they asked her why she laughed. She made up a reason. Why did she do that? Is this something we experience, too?

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Chapter 7-

"We want explanations for why we behave as we do and for the ways the world around us functions."

(R) I agree with this statement. From past experiences and myself, I realized that people are always questioning why things are the way they are. Like children, for example, do that “Why? Why? Why?”. Their curiosity about unfamiliar things supports this statement Ariely made.

(Am I doing this right?)
My chapter 6 and 8 entries "disappeared..."

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"The moral of this story? We may not always know exactly why we do what we do, choose what we choose, or feel what we feel. But the obscurity of our real motivations doesn't stop us from creating perfectly logical-sounding reasons for our actions, decisions, and feelings.' (Chapter 7)

(E) I think the author is trying to say that people don't know why they do things or why they feel certain feelings, but it doesn't stop them form making decisions that they think are rational even if it isn't technically rational. (R) People can't control how they feel and make decisions based on their emotions thinking that they'r making decisions based on logic and rationality when it truly isn't.

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“I suspect that this is not the case. Instead, much like our relationship with bacteria, there might a be a slower and more subtle process or accretion: perhaps when we see someone cheat, a microscopic impression is left with us and we became ever so slightly more corrupt. Then, the next time we witness unethical behavior, our own morality erodes further, and we become more and more compromised as the number of immoral “germs” to which we are exposed increases.” (Chapter 8, pg. 100 / 2)

Ariely makes a good point about the uphill battle that humans have to face when trying to combat dishonesty and corruption. The thing about dishonesty is that once it starts to became more and more frequent (such as cheating in class, stealing some money from work, etc.) among other people, it becomes harder and harder to actively resist the temptation to cheat. Over time, our moral compass strays farther and farther from true north, as we begin to be dishonest with ourselves and others. When thinking about this, what does this say about the nature of human beings to fit in with our surroundings? It shows how a conflict of interest develops, as on one hand, you want to remain honest and not cheat yourself, but on the other hand, you don't want to be the sore thumb sticking out. Then the question arises: which path do you go down? It's an interesting dilemma that shows the duality of human beings.

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Observations for Chapters 6, 7, and 8 Chapter 6: "The odd thing is that throughout the process I knew I could walk, but I adopted my role so quickly and thoroughly that my self-righteousness felt as real as if I had a legitimate reason to be upset. Then after all that, we got to the baggage claim, where I simply picked up my backpack and walked away unhampered like Keyser Soze in the film The Usual Suspects." (Pg. 101) (R) The passage has a deeper meaning than just describing a specific example of cheating ourselves. We are supposed to see the big picture: we deceive ourselves so we are motivated to do something. In the case of a feisty blue crab, it deceives itself to appear bigger, tougher, and stronger (motivation) than his opponents to scare them from his potential mate (doing something). The same situation applies to people too. Aside from Ariely's wheelchair fabrication (deception) to spend less time (motivation) in the airport to the flight to London (doing something), other examples are deceiving ourselves to have a chance to win at an athletic competition, (as in the case of the blue crab) to appear as a prince charming to get a date, or to pass a class for the semester by finishing overdue assignments. Chapter 7: "Facts are for people who lack the imagination to create their own truth. - ANONYMOUS." (Pg. 114) (Q) From what I generalize from this, why is the truth for people who aren't creative enough to create their truth? (P) Based on the preemptive quote, and the title, this chapter will be about how creativity relates to dishonesty. Specifically, aside from copying the title, Chapter 7 will probably detail over the benefit of being creative, on both honest (being unique) and dishonest matters (fabricating stories, excuses, etc.) and connect directly (real events) or indirectly with examples (hypothetical situations). Chapter 8: "From the sidelines, it seemed that the frequency of financial scandals was increasing. Was it due to improvements in the detection of dishonest and illegal behavior? Was it due to a deteriorating moral compass and an actual increase in dishonesty? Or was it there also an infectious element to dishonesty that was getting a stronger hold on the corporate world?" (Pg. 132) (E) In this passage, Dan Ariely details about how he has seen a large increase in the frequency of financial scandals. What is important to note, are the reasons behind his claim. In his first reason, Ariely suggests "improvements in the detection of dishonest and illegal behavior" because if discovering prohibited behavior has become easier (reliable gear and people, transparency, etc.), then more dishonest acts should be uncovered, thus it would be increasing. He also suggests "a deteriorating moral compass and an actual increase in dishonesty" because the "what the hell" effect and "from small yearnings, to large earnings" behavior (small, but multiple cheating/lying) can lead to more consistent, and severe, dishonesty, thus plaguing the environment and slipping onto headline news. Finally, Ariely contemplates the "dishonesty bug", which spreads all across the corporate, or any, world and infects common, constant, and creative cheaters, liars, and sinners, or all of us. All dishonesty needs is the right place at the right time, and, frankly, that is every time.

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Would we lie in any situation under pressure? If our lie is believed are we gonna continue with the lie?

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"Now back to us...try to fool others." pg 142

This part of the Chapter reminds of a conversation that I had with one of my teachers where confidence plays a huge image on people. He used my friend for example, for some reason he hadn't realized how small in stature she was, and he said that the reason why was because of her confidence made her look or seem taller than she actually was

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“We may not always know exactly why we do what we do, choose what we choose, or feel what we feel. But the obscurity of our real motivations doesn’t stop us from creating perfectly logical-sounding reasons for our actions, decisions and feelings.” (Chapter 7, pg. 86 / 3)

(E) This point brought up by Ariely highlights how irrational humans can be when trying to justify actions and thoughts. Although some acts, such as homicide or robbery, seem unjustified and illogical in several cases, the people who committed these acts bring it upon themselves to justify it in a manner that may seem weird or very roundabout. Such justifications may not even make sense outside of the person’s mind, but it highlights how people always feel the need to justify an action, sometimes to the point of obsession. It’s an interesting human quirk, who, if acting logically, would pick a choice or decision based upon logical decisions, such as cost-benefit analysis, and not feel any particular remorse (comparable to HAL from 2001: A Space Odyssey). (CL) Going back the questions relating to the fudge factor, how wild can these justifications get? To what extent can these justifications go to until they start to make no sense? Is it entirely dependent upon the fudge factor, or are there other forces at play?

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“You may come to believe it to such a degree that you might even be willing to bet money on it.”

(Chapter 6 Page 143, Paragraph 1)

I find it amazing as to how far self-deception can go to change one’s vision of themselves. How and why could it be so easy for one to forget the truth and instead start believing the lie that they are telling? Is it an active or passive clearing of the mind?

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“You may come to believe it to such a degree that you might even be willing to bet money on it.”
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Chapter 6-

"You tell your friend that you’ve run a mile in under seven minutes, when in reality your best time was a tiny bit over seven minutes. A few days later, you tell someone else the same thing. After repeating this slightly exaggerated claim over and over, you could eventually forget that you hadn’t actually broken the seven-minute mark. You may come to believe it to such a degree that you might even be willing to bet money on it."

I believe that how Areily

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"Self-Deception is a useful strategy for believing the stories we tell, and if we are successful, it becomes less likely that we will flinch and accidentally signal that we're anything other than what we pretend to be"

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People lie to themselves to have a better appearance to other peoples perspective of them. Also we cheat to benefit our own needs or cheat for others. We all do " white lies " in which for example as the the book sets an example when " Do I look fat in this dress" and the response is " no". Why? because we lie on to what we care or what we think is best for us to lie.

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-Chapter 7-

"The tales we tale ourselves and how we create stories we can believe.... Why creative people are better liars..."

(R) I agree with this statement because "creative people make up the most believable lies" for me I am a creative person and from my past I see how creative my lies can be, they may be lies but to people it sounds so believable.

-Chapter 6-

"Claws and peacock tails... When answer keys tell us what we already knew... Overly optimistic IQ score"

(R) This statement is telling us people that we hold the answer to questions, a answer key is just a review of we already knew, The answer we come up with and people wright it down, we know the answer we just use a key to review what we already knew.

-Chapter 8-

"Catching a cheating bug.... One bad apple really does spoil the barrel (unless the apple goes to the University of Pittsburgh)"

(R) This statement means once you catch someone cheating you can catch anyone else, everyone cheats once in a while and they think they don't get caught but the teachers/professors know and go to the main person.

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During one of Ariely's experiments in chapter 8 he had his class pledge to not use their laptops other than for school purposes in his class he said that it worked for the first few weeks, but as the semester drew on he noticed more and more of the screens were opened to non class related websites. If one student went to a website for something non class related another student would follow. A bad apple, people seem to follow other people, even when they know it's wrong.

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Chapter 6: The part where he was in the wheelchair felt exaggerated to me. I don't think that someone can really lie to themselves about a physical condition like that to the point of yelling at an airline about the plane's wheelchair accessibility. I just don't think anyone would put themselves on the line because of a lie that they knew was true.

Chapter 7: The experiment on the pathological liars make me wonder. Are people born with the ratio of white and gray matter that affects pathological lying? In short, are we born pathological liars.

Chapter 8: In the vending machine situation, I am surprised that people wouldn't attempt to use the machine more times. If the situation arises that you can use that machine more, 3 times seems really low. Maybe I'm just really practical or a cheat, but I'd probably use it like 6 times at least

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“ Self-deception is a useful strategy for believing the stories we tell, and if we are successful, it becomes less likely that we will flinch and accidentally signal that we’re anything other than what we pretend to be.” (Chapter 6, pg. 76

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Chapter 6: When does self deception come into the lives of an average high school-er? Is it extremely prevalent and when is it done most?

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Go into Schoology and click on the Padlet link in the Updates section.

Each student needs to post at least one observation or question each for Chapters 6, 7, and 8.

Each student needs to post at least two responses to other posts. That's two total response posts. Keep your response close to the original post. (This might get tricky, so remember which post you're responding to!)

You have 30 minutes.