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FIRST AND LAST NAME in title of your sticky note
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Bismarck was very manipulative, and made his choices based on what would make him more liked rather Than his morals. This is the main idea of Realpolitik. An example of him doing this was limiting the Catholic Church.

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How consequential were the revolutions of 1848?

I think the revolutions of 1848 were significant because even though they weren't a complete success, they helped build German nationalism. For example, the text states: "German national feeling continued to develop. The years between 1848 and 1862 saw a growth in creative work by musicians, artists, and writers" (169). This is important because the German people needed to be united to support unification.

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The revolutions of 1848 were critical in the development of the relationship between Austria and Prussia. After defeat Austria giving way to Prussia set a rift between the two countries. Bismarck's attempt to heal and make allies with Austria says a lot about how much he sought out German unification.

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there were lots of different factors that went into uniting germany, however one of the most notable ones was bismarck's aggressive, violent, and manipulative ruling style.

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What effect did Bismarck's "blood and iron" policies have on his rise to power? Did it help him more or hinder him more in popular opinion?

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I believe that when comparing Austria and Prussia it is easy to see that while Prussia (Bismark) apposed many liberal, socialist, and forward thinking ideas they truly embraced modernity in the sense that Prussia took full advantage of the Industrial Revolution, underwent many military reforms, and employed the use of some modern government institutions while Austria had fully embraced Conservatism and would not undergo the Industrial revolution like Prussia did. This allowed for Prussia to take advantage of the various weaknesses of it's geopolitical rival and come out on top in the end.

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Bismarck's rise to power was do in part to his drive, he was very manipulative and repeatedly modified suggestions or statements as to increase his following and please his supporters. Bismarck was also very successful in his goals because he had a specific plan of what moves he was going to make in where in order to move towards german unification.

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Did Bismarck achieve major change against the odds simply by taking advantage of events...?

Bismarck's planning / ability to quickly change strategy and weaving himself into circles of power shows that he took advantage of events rather than held a clear idea that he would stand by. He made many decisions to strengthen other nation's opinions of him though some were against what he wished to do.

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Why did Bismarck think war with France was inevitable for Germany to unify?

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Bismarck's rise to power was due to his manipulative ways and willpower to get where he wanted to be. He rise to power was planned, and he stayed in power by planning ahead and being ready for whatever came next. On page 179, it says that Bismarck was described, "As an extreme, undemocratic Junker." This shows that even though he wasn't liked, he had the willpower to get himself to power.

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Was Bismarck's rule and unification of Germany possible without some of the socialist policies despite his hatred of the socialist party.

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if bismarck didn't have such a strong opinion on the war with france would he have been as motivated to fight or would he have taken a more moderate approach to becoming ruler?

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Bismarck's rise to power was due his drive and dedication to unifying Germany. Even if there are some events that he had no control over and could be considered lucky he still seized those opportunities where many others would not have.

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Would there have been an alternate route to German Unification without fighting France to gain support of the southern states?

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Bismarck's rise to power relied on several circumstances, like the Prussian economic superiority and simply being in the right place at the right time, but the unification of Germany wouldn't have happened without him. Anyone else would not have had his same "blood and iron" policy, and he was vital in causing certain events that ultimately brought Germany together. One of these was his influence in bringing about the war with France; on page 180 of the packet, it says "In 1870, [Bismarck] provoked and then won a war against France..."

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How would the media impact the integrity of history?

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Was there a way Bismarck could have changed the way people thought of him before he came to power?

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How did Bismarck make compromises to make his plan of German unification happen.

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Was Prussia's war with Austria planned or inevitable?

My argument is that Bismarck had a very specific route to German Unification. He likely had to fight, rather than going out of his way. He also going back and fourth with France trying to embarrass each other, so the war was inevitable.

question- To what extent was Bismarck's road to unification planned?

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I think Bismarck was prepared foe the war and knew exactly what he was doing. He saw it coming and tried to figure out a plan that would be most in favor of his plan succeeding.

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The only way that Prussia wouldn't have gone to war with Austria would've been if Bismark wasn't in charge because the two countries had reached an agreement for joint sovereignty of Denmark in August 1865, but Bismark pushed the Prussian council to war saying that they needed to lead German and that Austria was standing in the way. Plus it was shown that Bismark had been preparing for war when Prussian troops were mobilized in April.

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we can see how much more advanced prussia was with austria just by looking at the numbers of deaths in just one battle. austria lost 15 thousand compared to 2 thousand on russia's side. we know this is mostly due to the "needle gun" that prussia used which was the first successful cartridge style weapon.

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Was Prussia responsible for the inevitability of the war, or was it something Austria did?

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Most important factor for German unification

The strength of the Prussian economy was a large factor that allowed for many advances in unifying Germany. Having a better economy than others allowed Bismarck to take advantage of his more industrialized nation to display power - ex: needlegun being crucial to battles that paved the way for unification.

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Do you think Bismarck supported making Leopold king in Spain to anger France? Or was it just a power move

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I would argue that Bismarck knew that a war with France was inevitable. France was a global power and would be threatened by a unified Germany. He also changed the wording of a telegram from the king of Prussia to France, which made the meaning more aggressive. He used the victory over France to his advantage, and achieved a unified Germany.

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It really was a back and forth of both Prussia and France trying to humiliate eachother, and war was inevitable after this.

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I do think that Bismark planned this war because he changed the wording of Ems Telegram and made it seem like France were the bad guys, and knew that the war was inevitable, so he wanted it to happen sooner and get more people on his side. They were also ready for war.

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what was the most useful thing in russia's military?

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If Austria was not as weak, would it be more difficult for Germany to unify?

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Bismarck knew that popular opinion would greatly increase with a military victory over France, and this led to his deliberate training of his army and the military strategy that he employed throughout the war with France.

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Prussia deliberately challenged Austria for the leadership of the German Confederation so they were most definitely responsible

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When Bismarck stated that he believes "War with France is inevitable" did he provoke conflict because he was so set on war?

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I think that Bismarck had every intention of having a war with France because German unification was intentionally a play for power. France was the largest opposing threat and hindrance from Germany having that power. Bismarck unified Germany through a long process of guaranteeing strength and security to small german states.

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Each of these factors contributes in a way that there is not just one factor that was the most responsible for German unification; they all contribute together.

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Which ISM was most important to German Unification? Conservatism, Nationalism, Socialism, Liberalism, etc.

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Do you think Bismarck was always the main person that wanted things to change or was he just reacting to his circumstances?

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What did time wasted by the Frankfurt Parliament result in?

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From the perspective of catholic dominated southern states, Bismarck was not the most important factor in German unification. It could be argued that the inherit economic benefits of joining an empire were more compelling than Bismarck's actions. Entering the empire meant that the city states would have access to a trade system, infrastructure, and a potential railway system. (reading page 207)

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@fishbowl - Which of the groups of people would have the most positive opinion of Bismarck's power and influence over the unification?

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When Leopold was a candidate to be the new leader for Spain this caused France to freak out as page 196 stated, "This caused an uproar in France, as it seemed that France would now be encircled by Prussia." While dealing with the Leopold situation, once Bismarck sent the acrimonious telegram to France causing outrage in Paris, and France mobilized for war. Bismarck knew what he was inciting by changing the telegram, but continued on anyway, leading me to think that he planned a war with France, in which France was the aggressor.

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From the Prussians point of view Bismarck was the most important figure in unifying Germany as he is from there and always looked out for the best interest of Prussia. They really like him for that so even though there were other factors to them that was the one that mattered

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Bismarck's ability to rule in a way that pleased a large amount of Prussian (and later German) citizens was one of the qualities that led to his success as a leader.

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I believe that Bismark did play a dominant role in unifying Germany, but I don't think the public relatively liked him. He kept to himself about what he was going to do and didn't really listen to anyone else. He also didn't care about what the public thought. He did what the wanted.

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Prussia would definitely have thought that Bismarck played a dominant role in unifying Germany. Some of them may not have been happy about this, though, due to their dislike of his politics and "blood and iron" policy. This is supported on page 179, which reads, "[The 'blood and iron'] speech caused uproar and the king nearly sacked him." The Austrians may not have thought that Bismarck played as dominant of a role; they definitely weren't happy about this either way. They lost their power over Germany to Prussia and wouldn't have been happy to admit that Prussia (and Bismarck) played a large role in German unification.

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From the Prussian point of view of Bismarck was great. The people of Prussia were totally on board with the German Unification and they appreciated what Bismarck was doing.

question- How was the image of Bismarck shifted from state to state, or ism to ism?

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Bismarck's role of importance in German unification was very significant. He implemented new military strategies, and repeatedly provoked other leaders in order to achieve success and was able to speak to his people in order to spread nationalism and excite them.

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Did any group significantly shift their opinion of Bismarck from 1848-1871?

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Which conflict during Bismarck's power had the biggest effect on German unification?

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What groups believed Bismarck didn't play a dominant role in the unification of Germany and why is that?

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Would the results of the events in the 1860s have changed if Russia did not support Prussian neutrality?

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Those in France would likely state that it was the Industry of Russia (more specifically its military) that was the leading factor in German unification as apposed to Bismark himself due to the fact that they had been devastated by the Prussian army during the Franco-Prussian war and most of the French would likely not have been exposed to Bismarck's leadership and its effects.

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What were the major factors/events that helped Bismarck on his path to German unification?

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How did the territorial factors change how Germany was unified? Would it be harder or easier to unify if it had a different territorial setting?

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Were there any groups in Germany that still were not completely unified in 1871?

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Which perspective (besides Prussia) would have been most likely to think that Bismarck played a very dominant role in unifying Germany?