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Mini Discussion #2:
Logos: Gorillas are generally shy and tend to keep away from humans. They have little interaction with them and would like to keep it that way I would assume. The fact that we as humans have put the animals in this situation is our own fault. Gorillas are tend to stay with their families and look after one another. The little boy who had fallen into the gorilla enclosure put himself into that situation. He had intentionally climbed over the three foot rail and fell dropped into the water 15 ft below the rail, another barrier meant to separate the endangered creatures and the destructive humans. Animal behavioralist have provided evidence that it if gorillas were agitated 

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Mini Discussion #1 - I agree with josh in it shows personality and morals in they way people treat animals can reflect they way they treat humans, as animals are vulnerable.
Pathos:
Mini Discussion #2 - I agree with the fact that some people in a way prey on the weak in this case animals, because they cant do anything about it and can get away with it.
Pathos:

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Mini discussion #1:
I agree with Josh some peoples morals can be judged on how they treat animals and that reflects on how they treat other people, animals are innocent
ethos: PETA, "The abuse that animals suffer at human hands is heartbreaking, sickening, and infuriating"

Mini Discussion #2:
I agree with Addie Harambe was killed for no reason and it wasn't his fault, more of the mothers fault. and he was showing no aggression
logos: the gorilla grabbed the kid by his ankle and dragged him but thats what they do with their own children.

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Mini Discussion #1
"I don't think it's very different to treat a human badly or an animal badly because both have feelings and emotions."
Ethos: Barbara J. King, author of How Animals Grieve and professor of anthropology at the College of William and Mary, agrees that animals have rich and deep emotional lives just like humans do.
https://www.peta.org/living/entertainment/animals-grieve/

Mini Discussion #2
"Most animals are cared for while they are young and cute, but once they get older they are abandoned because the owners don't want to take care of them anymore"
Logos: According to ASPCA, approximately 6.5 million animals enter U.S. shelters every year. Of these 6.5 million abandoned animals, 1.5 million of them are euthanized due to overcrowding. 47% of rehomed dogs and 42% of rehomed cats are given away due to animal problems such as growing bigger than expected.
https://www.aspca.org/animal-homelessness/shelter-intake-and-surrender/pet-statistics

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Mini Discussion #1:  I agree with Josh that both animals and people are both living things and have emotions,and if someone is can just be intentionally cruel to an animal w/o feeling any remorse,then that shows how that person feels nothing towards human life.
Ethos: Addie has had firsthand experience with animal shelters and seeing large numbers of animals left to fend for themselves,and this shows how little meaning animal life is to people because they can just abandon it.
2: I agree with Josh that the cruelty of animals is sometimes caused by the displacement of anger and people will take their frustrations out on something that won't (or can't) fight back.
Ethos: Chassidy has seen firsthand experience in her home country of Nicaragua where animals  are left with their ribs showing and are not viewed as lovable pets,but as guard dogs;people use them for their own benefit.

Mini Discussion #2:  I agree with Josh and Addie that the witnesses of Harambe with the boy were probably encouraging the death of Harambe can be compared to the Burmese people encouraging Orwell to shoot the elephant.

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Mini Discussion #1
I agree with Josh that the way you treat animals shows how you may treat a person, dogs has emotions just as humans do.
pathos : Now a days animals get beaten and are treated with cruelty, animals cannot defend themselves and they just have to take the beatings as they cry and yell and the person continues. The animals are helpless.

Mini Discussion #2
I agree with Chassidy that in other parts on the other countries animals are just seen as property, used for guard dogs only while other dogs are on the streets starving. Other animals are just seen as food.
Logos: It's impossible to determine how many stray dogs and cats live in the U.S. Estimates for cats alone range up to 70 million. Only 10 percent of the animals received by shelters have been spayed or neutered.

Mini Discussion #3
I agree with Addie that the gorilla did not show any signs of agitation and that the staff members could have tried harder to get rid of him just as they did with the other gorillas.
Ethos :  If they could lure the female gorillas away, why not Harambe? Some activists are calling the killing of Harambe an act of cowardice by incompetent zoo employees.

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Mini discussion #1: " If you are mean to animals you may be mean to humans. Everything has emotions and even though an animal may do something mean to you that doesn't mean that humans won't" " We put animals in these situations"
pathos: Animals are beaten and abused when they make one mistake in a human's eyes when they are innocent. Like if a dog bites someone they could be put down when they were doing something natural. Or animals dying in zoos because they are not meant to be in civilization
Mini discussion #2: " Religion can play a role on how we treat animals"
logos: "The act of animal sacrifice has been in existence for centuries, and over the years many different authorities have tried to put a stop to it with varying degrees of success. For instance, the high court in Orissa imposed a ban on animal sacrifice, yet a few districts in the province still manage to contravene the order."https://listverse.com/2014/09/23/10-ways-religion-and-superstition-have-led-to-animal-cruelty/

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Mini Discussion #1: I Disagree With Josh. There Are People In The World That Treat Animals Better Than They Treat Humans.
Ethos: My Manger Lisa Has Had A Monkey For 2 Years That Is Now Potty Trained, Knows It's ABC's And Is Learning To Use Crayons. She Treats The Money As If It Was Her Child But Her Herself Does Not Like Children And Doesn't Have Any.
Mini Discussion #2: I agree with Addie that animals communicate with body language and you can see how they are responding
Pathos: The Dog Seen His Owner Laying Down So He Brought Them A Cover And Snuggled Up With Them.

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Mini Discussion #1 "If you are mean to animals then it will translate to humans"-josh
Ethos:Many Psychologists and behavior scientists would agree for many mental disorders an early sign is harming small animals.If you can go out of your way to harm an animal then you might be a sociopath.

Mini Discussion #2:I agree with Mr.Sanders and Josh about some people may use displacement in anger,"you may have a rough day at work and kick your dog"as they know they will receive no backlash what so ever.

Mini Discussion #3:"We put these wild animals in these situations, putting them in these enclosures and domesticate them"-addie
We can never fully domesticate wild animals,all we are doing is trapping them in a confined space to be looked at.

Mini Discussion #4:"The zookeepers who raised the gorillas from birth were able to remove 2 out of 3 gorillas from the situation"-addie
I agree with addie on the fact that the zookeepers should have been calmer and not resorted to violence.

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Mini Discussion #1: I agree with Josh that the way you treat animals show your personality.
Pathos: If you are a violent person who can just commit such a horrible and cruel act, what's next ? If you cold-hearted enough to sit there and harm a animal, hearing them crying and in agony, how are you going to treat a child?

Mini Discussion #2: I agree with Kyndall on how you need to discipline your child. Sometimes, cruelty isn't intentional but you need to train your dog a specific way.
Logos: According to Angela Vuckovic she states "When done properly, punishment doesn’t have to be negative. Constructive punishment helps your dog learn through conditioning, and quickly understand what’s allowed and what’s not."

Mini Discussion #3: I agree with Addie on how we as people sometimes put animals in this situation because we take these animals out their natural habitat.
Ethos:

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Mini Discussion #1:
I agree with Josh when he says the harming of animals can be translated into treating a human badly. If an animal is innocently living and someone decides to harm them that shows the character of a person.
Logos: "Many victims entering shelters report that their abuser has hurt, killed, or threatened family animals. About a third report their children have harmed animals". http://aldf.org/resources/when-your-companion-animal-has-been-harmed/animal-cruelty-and-domestic-violence/

Mini Discussion #2)
I agree with Addie on how people can just take in an animal while its young and then abandon it when it gets older just because it isn't "cute" anymore. When animals grow up in a home they adapt to that and when they are thrown out onto the street they don't know how to survive.
The shivering border collie pup hid in fear after his family he grew up with abandoned him one cold December night. Whimpering and afraid, the dog did not understand what he did wrong, or what he would do next.

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Mini Discussion #1: "Everybody has emotions humans and animals..." I agree with Josh that animals are just like humans, we both reproduce and express emotions. Pathos: But sadly animals don't have a voice to express to humans how they feel and are viewed as an inferior race compared to humans.

Mini Discussion #2: I agree with Addie that Harambe should not have been shot for his mother should've been watching over him.
Logos:

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Mini Discussion #1: I agree with Mykailah that if a person can harm a vulnerable animal, they can commit outrageous acts against humans. I agree with Ti'Mya and Mykailah that Ghandi is somewhat exaggerating the public's role in treating animals. Harmful acts against animals only define an individual in a society, not the society as a whole.
Logos: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-excess/.../the-psychology-animal-torture
Mini Discussion #2:  I agree with Manny that the government is lenient with their punishment for harming animals because the animals are viewed as the person's property, so they are allowed to do whatever they want to their animals. Humans believe that they are superior to to animals, and the law backs this principle.
Ethos: Genesis 1:26 - Then God said, "Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness, so that they may rule over the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky, over the livestock and all the wild animals, and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

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Mini Discussion #1:
"If you can so easily abuse animals, it would probably be easy for you to go out and abuse other things such as people."
Ethos: Peta agrees with this claim; "Violent acts toward animals have long been recognized as indicators of a dangerous psychopathy that does not confine itself to animal abuse." There is a big correlation between mental disruptions and abusive behavior to animals.

Mini Discussion #2:
"The law portrays humans as more superior to animals, which could (in most cases) be incorrect."
Pathos: If a dog can cry and whine just like a human can, why would you want to inflict even more sadness upon its helpless nature?

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Mini Discussion #1:
"When an animal is injured they cry out in pain and generally it will make a person feel bad, but if it does not affect them then what stops them from hurting a person if that will not affect them either?"
Ethos: If accidentally hurting an animal does not make a person feel guilty what's to stop them from harming or even killing a person? If they are growing up in a destructive environment and that they exposed to that type of violence then they will grow up thinking such things are okay.

Mini Discussion #2:
"Harambe had shown no aggression to the child so he was wrongfully killed."
Logos: Gorillas are generally shy and tend to keep away from humans. They have little interaction with them and would like to keep it that way I would assume. The fact that we as humans have put the animals in this situation is our own fault. Gorillas are tend to stay with their families and look after one another. The little boy who had fallen into the gorilla enclosure put himself into that situation. He had intentionally climbed over the three foot rail and fell dropped into the water 15 ft below the rail, another barrier meant to separate the endangered creatures and the destructive humans. Animal behavioralist have provided evidence that  if gorillas were agitated they would bare their teeth, puff out their chest, snarl, or make fault charges. Harambe shown none of these actions. He repeatedly pulled the boy close. Animals can sense when something is wrong and how a person feels. The boy was afraid and the gorilla was able to detect that and tried his best to comfort the little boy by taking him away from the hollering crowd.
Source: My previous knowledge from various websites and shows on animal behavior and wildlife.

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Point #1: I agree with Gigi. When one intentionally abuses animals at a young age it usually is an indication of a darker persona.
Logos: Many studies show that children who show cruel and unusual treatment to animals from a young age usually show signs of psychopathy later in life.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/in-excess/201611/the-psychology-animal-torture
Point #2: I agree with Jazlyn in her point that the animals are treated as less because we can't understand the language of other animals speak
Pathos: Just because we cannot verbally understand other creatures doesn't mean they can't think and process emotions like us humans. We as humans need to begin to respect animals more than we do now.

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I agree with Makailah when she said, If you show cruelty to animals, that often translates to being selfish and only looking after yourself.
This relates to the appeal of logic, because it is logical to assume that being cruel to animals leads to selfishness and and cruelty towards humans as well.

I agree with Manny that many people globally mistreat animals through unnecessary killing of animals is a surefire way for countries to judge, and since animals are the closest thing to humans and they show emotion, it's definitely not fair to kill them.
This relates to the appeal of pathos, and the animals showing emotion creates sympathy for them and anger towards those that are ending their life without rhyme or reason.

I agree with Jazlyn when she says that most people think that animals are lower than humans. This is because many high up people as well as the bible has promoted dominance over animals and the environment.
This relates to the appeal of ethos, because as reputable sources such as the bible support and believe in ownership of animals, people are susceptible to listening and becoming cruel towards them because they believe that that's what God wants.

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Mini Discussion #1
"The mistreatment of an animal shows that you are heartless, and selfish."
Pathos: The man beat his dog, no matter what the dog did or didn't do. He took his anger out on the helpless animal, what's to say he won't do that to a child?

Mini Discussion #2
"Studies show that if a child can hurt an animal without remorse, this may develop into something more serious."
Logos: Since the 1970"s, research has consistently reported childhood cruelty to animals as the first warning sign of later delinquency, violence, and criminal behavior. https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-equation/201104/children-who-are-cruel-animals-when-worry

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Mini Discussion #1
" How we treat animals depicts how we are as a human being all around"
Logos: "link between such acts and serious crimes of more narrowly human concern, including illegal firearms possession, drug trafficking, gambling, spousal and child abuse, rape and homicide." Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/13/magazine/13dogfighting-t.html
Mini Discussion #2
"Mistreatments of animals shows that you have no heart what so ever, you just don't care about anything"
Pathos: The puppy reapeadtly cried out for the owner to stop hitting it , but the owner kept abusing the pup until he was no more.

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Mini Discussion #1 - "If you can hurt an animal and not feel guilt  then who is to say that you won't go hurt a person and not feel bad."
Logos: Only sociopaths intentionally hurt animals. One of the early signs of a conduct disorder is often cruelty to animals.
Source: https://prime.peta.org/2010/04/only-sociopaths-intentionally-hurt-animals-a-professional-view
Mini Discussion #2 - "Because we can't communicate with animals the punishment for animal abuse isn't as great."
Pathos: Animals have feelings too and just because we can't communicate with them doesn't mean you shouldn't be punished for abusing them.

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Mini Discussion #1
"Killing an animal won't always be intentional and it doesn't define a person"
Logos: Every act of violence committed against an animal is not a sign that a person is going to turn out to be a homicidal maniac.  Particularly with young children, whose natural exuberance and curiosity can lead to some unpleasant experiences for their pets, it is fine to shrug off an occasional lapse in judgment while continuing to educate the child about humane animal treatment.
Source: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-equation/201104/children-who-are-cruel-animals-when-worry
Mini Discussion #2
"An animal is your property, humans are equal to you so the punishment will be much worse.
Studies have shown that violent and aggressive criminals are more likely to have abused animals as children than criminals who are considered non-aggressive.
https://www.peta.org/issues/companion-animal-issues/companion-animals-factsheets/animal-abuse-human-abuse-partners-crime/

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1. i agree with Makailah and Gigi because if you can hurt something that is vulnerable and not feel guilty or regret it then you can hurt something else and not care about it.
2. if you treat an animal without care you are just a careless, hopeless person, like you dont care about anything that happens to anyone, you have no feelings for anything

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Mini Discussion #1
"The way we treat animals impacts other areas of our life. Therefore, your treatment of them mirrors how you treat other humans"
Logos: Many U.S. communities now cross-train social-service and animal-control agencies in how to recognize signs of animal abuse as possible indicators of other abusive behaviors. Source: https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/the-human-equation/201104/children-who-are-cruel-animals-when-worry
Mini Discussion #2
"The fact that people who abuse animals receive a minor punishment is absurd. Animals are innocent and cannot defend themselves with the same force a human can."
Pathos: The shivering and melancholy Bernedoodle stares at me through the squalid bars of his dilapidated cage. This companion is here as a result of his master's brutal attack-one of which broke his foot."