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i agree with max

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Swift has a Thanos mindset

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o tyler I see you making intellectual conversation

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o tyler I see you making intellectual conversation

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Jeff and Swift are Thanos

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I agree that he is leaving them off on a random point to keep them thinking and questioning not only his thoughtd, but their society too. 

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I agree that he is leaving them off on a random point to keep them thinking and questioning not only his thoughtd, but their society too. 

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I think that he is just trying to assume a persona that is different from himself to continue the satire further

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I think that he is just trying to assume a persona that is different from himself to continue the satire further

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the country is finite, its resources finite. if life is left unchecked life will cease to exist. it's simple calculus.

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I agree with Austin in that he may have so much passion for his country which is why he is so extreme

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I agree with Austin in that he may have so much passion for his country which is why he is so extreme

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his solution is based on math which makes him seem more seasonably

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i agree that he is trying to say something absurd so that they will agree with a more middle of the roaad solution

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i agree that he is trying to say something absurd so that they will agree with a more middle of the roaad solution

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It is ironic that he is trying to address major problems in society by offering even more problematic solutions

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It is ironic that he is trying to address major problems in society by offering even more problematic solutions

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The irony contributes to the satire and the author's want for a solution. He proposes an extreme and outrageous solution and states the "extreme" solutions of other.

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The irony contributes to the satire and the author's want for a solution. He proposes an extreme and outrageous solution and states the "extreme" solutions of other.

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I agree that he is calling out the protestants

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I agree that he is calling out the protestants

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He targets specific groups that have a lot of power.

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He targets specific groups that have a lot of power.

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Throughout the next section, paragraphs 21-26, Swift makes quite a few assumptions, some of which include: that people will be open to eating their youth, that all tenants are poor, that selling human meat will automatically fix the economy, that couples are constantly having babies, that people will enjoy the flavor of human babies and they will become a popular dish, that all marriages are abusive and people neglect their kids, and that his proposal will ultimately reduce suffering.

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Throughout the next section, paragraphs 21-26, Swift makes quite a few assumptions, some of which include: that people will be open to eating their youth, that all tenants are poor, that selling human meat will automatically fix the economy, that couples are constantly having babies, that people will enjoy the flavor of human babies and they will become a popular dish, that all marriages are abusive and people neglect their kids, and that his proposal will ultimately reduce suffering.

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He is addressing the country's society as a whole, making it patriotic

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He is addressing the country's society as a whole, making it patriotic

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The Irish definitely hated the ruling king, so they could unite under that common ground

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patriotism is part of this because he is talking about how the country is struggling and he is proposing how to save the country's economy

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I agree that he is adding to his ethos by building on his accountability through appealing to patriotism.

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I agree that he is adding to his ethos by building on his accountability through appealing to patriotism.

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Although there is some patriotism he does have some contempt for people who continue to come up with bad solutions for the problem.

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Although there is some patriotism he does have some contempt for people who continue to come up with bad solutions for the problem.

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In paragraph 17, Swift states that the children be bought while they are still alive, just as pigs for roasting are. By continuing to make crazier and crazier claims, Swift makes his original plan sound much more plausible.

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In paragraph 17, Swift states that the children be bought while they are still alive, just as pigs for roasting are. By continuing to make crazier and crazier claims, Swift makes his original plan sound much more plausible.

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It helps create an ethos of an upper class solution maker to set up the satire 

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It helps create an ethos of an upper class solution maker to set up the satire 

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It adds to his ethos, if her appears more reasonable before his proposal

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He should have been more careful about the readers 

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He should have been more careful about the readers 

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i agree that he is trying to state that he is trying to win people over and get them to agree with him before he goes into this absurd point of eating babies 

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i agree that he is trying to state that he is trying to win people over and get them to agree with him before he goes into this absurd point of eating babies 

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If the sentence had ended with "food", the reader would have ended the sentence and been shocked. Swift needs the reader to keep moving, so he doesn't end there, and chooses to continue writing in a way that will appeal to his reader. Swift moves focus away from the sudden shift from children to food, and brings the attention onward to food and all of the good things that it can be with words like "stewed" and "roasted".

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If the sentence had ended with "food", the reader would have ended the sentence and been shocked. Swift needs the reader to keep moving, so he doesn't end there, and chooses to continue writing in a way that will appeal to his reader. Swift moves focus away from the sudden shift from children to food, and brings the attention onward to food and all of the good things that it can be with words like "stewed" and "roasted".

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I agree that he is trying to introduce the solutions in order to get the audience engaged before introducing his dark humorous thought process as to how to get there.

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Katherine is right. Contextualization is needed for this argument.

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Katherine is right. Contextualization is needed for this argument.

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Starting with something normal sounding so he begins to establish a tone and ethos.

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good job Kelly, you are contributing to this conversation really well

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if u say geno cide it bleeps it

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He uses words like "breeders", "flesh", "meat", "cattle", etc. to dehumanize the poor.

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wow joey you are so smart and you are really contributing to the discussion

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wow joey you are so smart and you are really contributing to the discussion

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accuse the author of 🤬

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🤬 is a really good connection

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he organizes the passage to first say he has a solution to the problem, before he presents his idea of treating poor children like livestock

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He makes sure to start his proposal by defining the poor as the problem. He builds further on this by describing in derogatory terms and quantifies their output much like livestock. This is shown through usage of words like breeders and meat.

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He uses facts and figures to show how many politicians do this when trying to make solutions but not thinking of the people as people but as numbers

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thanks braheem

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I agree that this could be seen as totally sophisticated or as totally sarcastic

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Jeff is so smart.

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He seems to want readers to view him as being intelligent, respectable, and trustworthy. He mentions many times calulations, studies, etc. which contribute to the facade he is trying to put up.

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He is creating a mocking persona of politicians who try to make solutions that just rely on logic and not human nature

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I also agree of the possibility of the misogyny as being intentional

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While the contents of this work are horrible, if presented as satire, Swift's argument would be quite effective

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Swift also dehumanizes women so that they are only seen as breeders and growers

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eating children is absurd

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Yes Kelly I agree that he just adds to his points and makes them strongers against society

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I agree some of it may have been intentional and a part of his persona

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I agree that while a modern reader may notice and take offense, however, as this was written in older times, people viewed it as okay

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At the time, people had different viewpoints about women, believing that they have specific duties to fulfill, wherein now, in modern days, we have different viewpoints.

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Alyssa states a very good point that makes sense considering the rhetorical occasion at the time.

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I agree that the context of the period affected these views, but they do not affect his criticisms of the treatment of the poor. It doesn't seem to affect this point

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I agree that the modern reader should understand that misogyny was a standard thing in that time. the reader should look over it to see Swift's real point, eating children

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Swift is, in an ironic way, sticking up for the poor children, displaying how they are dehumanized because of their status

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I believe Jeff has a point, he is making considerable arguments.

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It is also sardonic how Swift dehumanizes children so much that they would be better as food or clothing

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I feel as tho rose is stating a very true and well worded statement

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I agree that the sixth point (marriage) is the most sardonic. It dehumanizes children, stating that parents would sell their children, and would only love them for the income they could bring to their family.

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I also agree with Aliyah in that the wives should sell their best children as if they were prized calfs

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I also agree with Aliyah in that the wives should sell their best children as if they were prized calfs

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i agree with Jeffrey in that suggesting the wearing of baby skin would be fashionable and thrifty

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I said that the second advantage was the most cynical because it talked about how children would be more valuable as food than alive. It dehumanizes them and seems to criticize the obsession with greed and efficiency.

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I agree with kelly seeing how swift is reacting

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The fifth because he is talking about the recipes for the rich to eat the children

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I said the third one is the most sardonic because he is proposing an economic plan that involves selling children and he has this so planned out that he named a specific amount.

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I agree that the government is responsible for the condition of its people

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Swift i feel is trying to solve an unsolvable problem and I agree with rose

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Swift makes the argument feel like he actually has a scientific or accurate solution to the conflict.

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I believe the social condition was the established protestant governing aristocracy amid the country's poor Catholic population.

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He blames the rich people and they are one of the targets as well as politicians

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He blames the rich people and they are one of the targets as well as politicians

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Swift seems to blame the upper class and Irish government for the problems of Ireland. However, he also claims that while the goverment has gotten lazy, the common people too have grown to be inable to change.

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Swift seems to be commenting on the discrimination against Roman Catholics. He mentions the paints them as a plague and notes how his plan helps to rid of them.

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Swift seems to place blame on the upper classes for living lavishly while hundred of thousands of people starve

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Overpopulation is the most key dilemma throughout Ireland, which becomes an issue that Swift discusses.

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