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Adnan Syed, the accused in the murder of Hae Min Lee, has had his case picked apart and analyzed for almost a year in total now. His trial, on both sides of the argument, often agree on one thing; His trial was sloppy. There was little concrete evidence against Adnan, and what was present was disputed for it’s authenticity or weight. In the end, Adnan was charged with the murder on the basis that he probably did it. There was no one else to accuse, case closed. However, a look back onto the case does reveal one fact for certain, that the case was hectic. From a full recount of the entire murder from a single witness with a changing timeline, to misplaced calls during misplaced time on a misplaced phone, nothing in this case added up to anything, only further and further into confusion. How could we ever know who did it? We can’t rely on forensic evidence based on almost total lack there of, and witness accounts are significant but not very compelling. What’s the answer? Without a strong case against Adnan, there simply isn’t enough to rightfully convict him. The best we have is a confession to murder from an acquaintance, Jay, who keeps changing his story. Adnan’s cell records, time frame, and other actions that evening do match mostly to Jay’s story, but a lot of his retelling doesn’t add up. Why would Jay be lying, did he do it? I can’t be sure. What I am sure about is that the narrative of Adnan doing it is way too outlandish and unstable. I’m not convinced.

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Not only do I think Adnan is innocent but I also think Jay has a very big part in Hae’s murder. At the start of serial I knew he had to be innocent, everyone he knew said he didn’t have it in him. After a couple of episodes I started to become more suspicious and started to believe maybe Adnan did kill Hae. It makes sense, the ex-boyfriend gets mad at ex-girlfriend for moving on and kills her. The phone calls don’t make it impossible that he could have killed her. However his personality and actions make him killing Hae impossible, as much as he sounds innocent let's look at the facts. Jay said Adana told him “I am gonna kill that bitch.” Why would Jay say that? To cover up the person who really killed Hae? To cover up himself? All those seem possible to me, Jay seems like best person to fit in Hae’s murder...Adnan even in Hae’s diaries didn’t seem like a boy who would kill someone he loved. He was told by his own lawyer not to claim his  innocence? Not a fair trial, a innocent man was put in jail and that is the way I see it. I believe there needed to be more evidence for Adnan to be put in jail, his silence did not help his case but that doesn't mean you put that man in jail. Of course Adnan 15 years later feels defeated and is losing his faith to keep convincing people he is innocent. Many people have already painted this picture to convince themselves Adnan is guilty but I don’t believe it.

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Since the beginning, I had always assumed Adnan was innocent. I know there had been many times where it sure looked bad for him, I just couldn't buy it. I don't believe that Adnan has it in him to kill Hae Min Lee, but also I don't think he has any real motive to kill her. I believe that there isn't enough proof to prove that he is guilty. Sure he was probably heart broken and sad, but enough to want to kill her? However, even though I don't think Adnan did it, I am not sure who actually did. Jay, the person the police got most their evidence on, isn't the most reliable person to me. Although Jay made it sound like he really believed it, I still don't know if I do. Overall, I think Adnan is innocent, but I have no idea who did it.

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Throughout this entire podcast I personally have always that Adnan was not guilty. I feel like they picked the lazy way out of the case and instead of fully investigating the evidence they just wanted someone to blame.They had so much evidence that they could’ve used/ materials that could’ve been useful.  Another thing is that they explained where Hae’s body was found it’s not unusual for there to be murders there which I believe they became even more careless about the case because it happens so often. Jay was also switching up his story so much which caused me to think so much more than what they made him appear to be. When a person is put in a difficult situation like talking about a murder that happened you can’t somehow forget the main points. For example, if YOU HELPED DIG A HOLE TO HIDE THE BODY. Yes they did put a lot of evidence on Adnan but there’s also things that they say that are so irrelevant to the situation. When they said he stole things that has nothing to do with the murder of Hae besides the fact that they want him to look even worse.

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Since the beginning I have thought that Adnan was innocent. I don’t believe that Adnan could do this because he’s just not that type of person. I know that that’s not a reason to believe he’s innocent, people snap and things can go wrong, but I believe that if Adnan had done it he would be more broken up about it. I think that people would have been able to tell if Adnan had killed someone because he would have been acting strange after the murder. I also don’t trust Jay, his story just changed too much. I think Jay is trying to set up Adnan, but I’m not sure why. Their stories just don’t make sense and the calls and all that make me think it wasn’t Adnan.

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I always knew Adnan wasn't guilty even when most of his friends have turned tables and kept changing stories

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After carefully studying and analyzing Adana’s case I came to the conclusion that there is way too many things that people say that he did, but weren’t fully proved. I talked to Adnan several time a day on a daily basis since I started  to look at his case and I have gotten to know the person he is an was. As I talked to a lot of professionals and got some of my lingering questions that I had about Adnan I came to the conclusion that he is not a psychopath. He did not commit this crime and there is no way that he was too cold hearten to kill Hae.

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sarah keurig™ did it. next time on cereal.

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Well so far I have been back and forth when it comes to making a decision as to who did the crime. In one hand we have Adnan who is the number one suspect and seems to have a reason to kill Hae. I mean after all he is the one behind bars and nobody is with him. Through the whole podcast the listener gets to know the main suspects in the case of Hae Lee's death. In conclusion I think that Adnan is not guilty, but why? Well first of all there is not evidence for Adnan to be behind bars, there are no real fingerprints found on Hae's body or anything so you cannot send him to jail. For all we know Jay could be the one that did it and it seems that Jay was really quick to rat Adnan out. I think that there is no real way to tell who did it or how exactly that day went, but my conclusion is that you cannot put someone behind bars that does not deserve to be there.

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My conclusion is that the killer is never caught; it might be adhan, it might not. We will never know, but as far as i'm concern he will take the blame.

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I've thought that Adnan is innocent since the first episode. Throughout the podcast there's been things that have made me question whether I believe him or not but overall I've stood firm in my belief in his innocence. Ever since I first heard Jay speak I thought he was lying and there was something suspicious about him. However, I'm not sure if I'm convinced Jay killed Hae. Overall I believe Adnan is innocent. I feel like there's something we're missing about the case, something about who killed Hae

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Previously,  on serial....
DUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDUHDDUHDUHDDUH (Duh-Duhs' fade into the backdrop but continue steadily).

Jay
He left his cell phone in the car with me, told me he'd call me.

Detective Ritz
And now at this point, do you know why he’s leaving the car with you?

Jay
Yes.

Detective Ritz
And why is that?

Jay
Because he said he's going to kill Hae.

Adnan Syed
I definitely understand that someone could look at this and say, “oh, you know he must be lying, it’s so coincidental.”

Nisha
He told me to speak with Jay and I was like “ok,” because Jay wanted to say hi, so I said hi to Jay and that’s all I can really recall.

Tzvi Weber
The uselessness of what we're trying to do by recreating something that doesn't fit, it’s like trying to plot the coordinates of someone’s dream or something.

Adnan Syed
You know, perhaps I’ll never be able to explain it and it is what it is, if someone believes me or not, I have no control over it.

Automated voice
This is a Global-Tel link prepaid call from Adnan Syed an inmate at a Maryland Correctional facility. This call will be recorded and monitored. If you wish to...

Tzvi Weber
From This American Life and WBEZ Chicago it’s Serial. One story told week by week. And this, Episode Twelve is the final week, final episode of Season One of this podcast. We've finally reached the ending, after almost a year of talking to Adnan. Talking through the entire story over and over again, I've noticed that he's starting to get tired of it. I know I am.

Adnan Syed
Are we done today?

Tzvi Weber
Is there anything else you want to say? Any clarifications or anything?

Adnan Syed
We've been over everything already, I mean, I don't really know what to say at this point...

Christina Gutierrez
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA?!!!??!?!

Tzvi Weber
So, we covered everything, and I still don't know how to feel about the case. I can't convict him, and I feel like I trust him after all the talking we've done, but I do wonder... What if he's been putting up a charade the whole time? Because he knows this'll be publicized, so, I'm not saying anything bad, but maybe he was using this show to manipulate the populous into thinking it wasn't him? I don't think he would do that, but it's definitely an idea.
I have no idea who did it, but personally, I don't think it was Adnan, after one year of Serial, this is Tzvi Weber, signing out.

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I believe that Adnan is NOT psychopath. A lot of these things point to him saying he did it, but I don't think he's a psychopath. I don't think we have enough evidence that he did do it, but I understand he might be the most logical person to convict. I don't think that is right, but I think that could've happened. There are so many holes in this entire case and a lot of things have happened that I don't think were looked at deep enough. The whole thing about Jay's prosecutor providing him a lawyer is a big deal and even the judge agreed it was fishy, but for some reason it was still kind of brushed off. I think the fact that Jay got no jail time or any punishment for all this is kind of ridiculous. He even confessed his lying multiple times and a lot of things could have potentially thrown his whole timeline out of place, but they weren't looked into. Jay plays a huge role in this entire case. I don't think that Jay did it because there doesn't seem to be a motive there, but there really isn't a motive for Adnan either, besides the fact that Hae broke up with him. I think this case overall is super strange and I have no idea who could've really done it. Maybe it was someone random. Or maybe it was Adnan? I can't say who is responsible for this but I don't think Adnan should've been convicted unless this case was looked at completely inside and outside.

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My conclusion is that his actions reflect his innocence but If he did do it, he did it because he snapped and that doesn't necessarily make him a cold blooded killer. However if he did do it, he still hid evidence to a murder which he could have done.

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Big Guap: Eater of Worlds (Beta Patch 2.1)

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Big Guap: Eater of Worlds (Beta Patch 2.1)

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From This American Life and WBEZ Chicago it’s Serial. One story told week by week. I’m Kenneth Arnold.

Is Adnan Said innocent? Did he kill Hae Min Lee? Here is what I think: I think that Adnan was not the one who killed Hae.

There is no forensic evidence to prove that Adnan did it. Also Jay is an unreliable source of information. I would not take his word on what happened. Unless we have some solid evidence that proves Adnan did it, he is innocent.

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There are a lot of inconsistencies in the stories of many people. So many that I am not entirely sure whether or not Adnan is guilty. Jay's story is just a mess honestly, it's ever changing, and has components of things that could of never happened. Not to mention that Adnan still has an alibi that is just not considered actual evidence, because of one slip up (I will never let that go, because it still hasn't been talked about again). But Adnan has some evidence against him that hasn't been cleared up, like the call with Neisha. There's still evidence that has never been tested, and a lot of loose ends. Even though I'm not sure that Adnan is innocent, I feel like enough new evidence, or unexplained stories have shown themselves that the case could be re-opened, and looked into by a professional

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If we go over the facts that have been presented to us, then there is no hard evidence claiming Adnan is guilty. The state's timeline doesn't match up and Jay's testimony is inconsistent. There isn't a reliable reason to convict Adnan.

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My conclusion is Adnan is innocent, I have been convinced ever since Jay look suspicious about his argument. Even though adnan wasnt crying during his court and jay was, I still feel like that was just a cover up on his part so it can look good on him. There was still no proof of anything that jay or adnan did it but if we are leaning on suspicion then I would lean more towards jays side and say that he's guilty. Jay's action and him trying to defend himself sounded like he was confused in his stories and couldn't make up his mind. Which made me think that Jay has to be guilty. Also at this time frame, you don't have enough evidence to convict anyone as the murder in this case, which I could be wrong saying that Jay is guilty.

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My conclusion is that I can't say for sure that Adnan is guilty or not. I have been leaning towards guilty since episode 3, but if I was in a courtroom I would not convict him. Although there is a lot pointing to him being the killer, there is not enough tangible or conclusive evidence. Although he seems guilty, I think convicting him with the evidence they had was premature.

This said, something seems off about the whole case. The details are blurry and inconclusive, enough of a reason for me to have reasonable doubt. I don't know if he did or did not kill Hae, but with the lack of evidence and many blurry details, I feel that jailing him was a crime in itself.

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My conclusion as to whether Adnan is guilty or not is still that I believe Adnan is guilty, because throughout this entire podcast, no one has really presented an alternate story to Hae's murder. Maybe this doesn't totally mean hes guilty, but for me, so much points to Adnan that I can almost ignore discrepancies in Jay's story, or people testifying to Adnan's goodness as a person. The way I see it, Jay's inconsistencies are really just the story of someone who was involved with a murder, and as it unfolded, tried to separate himself from it, even by telling lies that didn't entirely make sense. I don't think inconsistencies in his story need to be rational to us for them to have made sense to Jay. I also don't think Hae's murder needs to be rational for it to have been Adnan who killed her. My best theory is that Adnan may very well be a normal, regular guy, who ca be nice and a good friend, and that he could still have killed Hae. I think very few people aren't capable of murder, and enough rage or sudden burst of emotion is enough to spur someone, Adnan maybe, to kill someone.

I think some things in Jay's story don't make sense, or that the story told at trial is entirely accurate, though. For one thing, I think the murder happening in a Best Buy parking lot doesn't seem right. The library parking lot seems to make more sense, but since the only people who will ever know the truth  are Hae and her killer, the best story we have is Jay's.

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So my conclusion for this is that he is innocent, not because I think that he isn't involved in the murder of Hae, but I am not completely  convinced that he is guilty of murder beyond a reasonable doubt. Therefore I cannot say that he is guilty.
Between the changes in Jay's story and the lack of physical evidence  to put him at the crime scene, the case against him doesn't have the solid backing I require to convict him.
The investigation as a whole felt shady to me, why didn't they check the fibers found near the body, why didn't they follow up with his possible alibis, if he had a better lawyer (one who didn't just tell him to take the sentence) would he have stood a chance?
However why would Jay lie? Adnan is his friend, why would he betray him like that? There isn't a motive to throw him under the bus like that. Right?
I feel for Adnan, especially from this episode. This podcast is reopening old wounds, the worst parts of his life.  The dirt that everyone swept under the rug was there to be seen all over again. I'm not saying that makes him guilty or innocent, it just stood out to me from this episode.  Poor guy.

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I don't think Adnan is guilty because there really isn't enough evidence to support that. The timelines are kind of all over the place, on top of that Jay doesn't seem like the most reliable person. The one thing I'm wondering is if it wasn't Adnan, and Jay had help, who else participated? There's been so little evidence to lock anyone up in my opinion, a lot of it feels like "he said she said" and there's so many inconsistencies.

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I'm going to stick with my previous opinion and say that Adnan didn’t kill his ex-girlfriend. I’m basing this opinion on the fact that his own family doesn’t even think he did it. Nor does his friends. I’m also not saying that he’s completely innocent because the phone calls that he made the same day Hae was killed are pretty suspicious. I see two choices here: he didn’t kill Hae, or he did and he’s continuing to cover it up by using Sarah Koenig as an opportunity to get out of jail. If so, then he really is a manipulative liar and possibly a psychopath. But to be honest, I just have a feeling that he isn’t and wasn’t the boy who’s capable of murder. Nonetheless, the trial he went under was extremely unfair. The lawyer he got was inconsistent and seems like she barely tried. I think the decision of incarcerating a man for life should definitely take more than 2 hours.

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So here's what we know:
The state's timeline doesn't line up with Jay's testimony. Or Jenn's.
Jay's testimony doesn't line up with the call record.
Jay's testimony (the star witness) keeps changing his story.
There is no payphone at Best Buy, so where did the murder occur?
Neither Hae nor Adnan were out of school campus when the state says that Hae died.
There's the unexplained Nisha call.
Adnan has maintained his innocence for fifteen years.
The anonymous tip saying to look at the ex-boyfriends.

Either way, whether you decide Adnan is guilty or not, there's something really fishy with this case. Fishy enough to have unreasonable doubt about who killed Hae, when, and why.

I think Adnan is innocent. There is simply not enough to charge him with murder. And there's no real motive for Adnan to kill Hae either.

But then why would Jay lie? But if Jay lied then who killed Hae? Guess this will remain an unexplained mystery.

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Personally, I believe that Adnan is not guilty, there simply isn't enough evidence to remove all doubt of his innocence. There are conflicting stories, and no solid evidence of where Adnan was after school the day Hae went missing. The inconsistencies in Jay's story, the lack of evidence of where he was, the spotty cell tower "evidence," and the statements from others involved in the case, there is no way you can make a definitive case against Adnan.

What's strange is why Jay is the only one coming forward about Adnan committing he crime, but if he is lying, what is his motive? To me, the whole story started when Jay came forward and that is the only thing the state has against Adnan that is "definitive."