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Geertz has an interesting view of the Balinese cock-fighting. He breaks it down anthropologically and in doing so he adds a difficulty of comprehension, but he also adds a depth of information using his background.

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In “Deep Play: Notes on the Balinese Cockfight”, Clifford Geertz explains how cockfighting is a tradition to the Balinese people despite being illegal. I liked all the figurative language and comparisons Geertz used in this essay. It was very interesting that the cocks were treated so well by their owners. The owners fed them the best grains and they ensured the cocks were properly taken care of to guarantee the best chance of victory.

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Geertz’s essay was mainly written in a perspective that is very detailed as he is an anthropologist. His creativity in writing also made the essay more interesting as he had sections that specialized what event happened and what he felt during those moments. The essay contained also many scenarios which explains different traits and characteristics of Indonesians. This technique that he is using is very effective in my opinion because it gives the audience the chance to experience what Geertz experienced when he visited Bali as he gets to know and learn about the culture. Another way that I think was interesting was that he did not let his status get in the way of him since his goal was to analyze and observe them in the most unbiased way.

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In Clifford Geertz's "Deep Play: Notes on the Balinese Cockfight," I felt like he talked a lot about the anthropologist view, and how important and meaningful the culture is to the Balinese people. His writing, especially his detailed and thorough explanations of what he observed on that trip, showcased his wonderful skill of analysis of the complex social chain of Indonesia. I found his piece incredibly fascinating.

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In Clifford Geertz's "Deep Play: Notes on the Balinese Cockfight," it was interesting to see how this sort of Balinese culture and lifestyle was observed under an anthropological view. Cockfighting seems to have a deeper impact on the Balinese social ladder, with the winners of these cockfights having more power over the others. This sport was typically represented masculinity, rather than femininity. The essay was a compelling read that took multiple reads to understand, as Geertz's language is a bit complicating.

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In Clifford Geertz's essay, I found a compelling quote in it "he closer the identification of cock and man (or: more prop
erly, the deeper the match the more the man will advance his
best, most closely-identified-with cock). " I find this fascinating because It tells mw that the bond between owner and animal is very strong.

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Geertz writing interested me. As an anthropologist, Geertz traveled to Bali to study the Balinese traditions and cockfighting. I think the whole trip was a kind of a freak show or circus for him. He examines the people of bail as animals.

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The first whole section of Clifford Geertz' writing interested me. When he mentioned how he was an anthropologist and was visiting a Balinese village, I knew this was going to be a long but good reading. I also thought it was interesting how the Balinese people paid little to no attention to them in the beginning but suddenly opened up when they heard that Geertz and his wife was raided during a cockfight. I really liked the way Geertz deeply explained what cockfighting really was.

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As an anthropologist, Geertz went to Bali with his wife to observe the lifestyle of the kind of people they want to learn from. From "Deep Play", we can see how an anthropologist study humanity by field trip, and how did Geertz analyze Balinese's culture by observing their play, cock fight, and from the language they use to see how traditional activity affect the way people talk, and the development of language in the future.

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Geertz' complex language made it difficult to follow his piece, but after careful reading I was able to make sense of his analysis. I feel like his anthropological perspective on Geertz is way over-analytical and in a way reduces the people of Bali to a game. Although I though the piece was interesting I still felt as though Geertz was examining the Balinese people as if they were animals in a cage.

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The anthropological view point of Geertz towards the gathering of people in such brutal event was interesting in terms of the author's analysis of the fabrics of the Balinese culture. The rule of being a part of a highly structural and class-based society with such traditional aspects of rivalry in cockfighting was revealed by the author. His grasp on how a society like Bali works within itself was shown in the unwritten rules of cockfighting. For instance, a society that follows every instruction of its historical traditions, would as well feel more united, powerful, and goal-oriented.

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In Geertz's "Deep Play: Notes on the Balinese Cockfight" he mentioned there are two types of cockfighting in Bali. He used the battle to analyze culture and express their values ​and fears through entertainment and competition. Geertz also concludes that the cockfight as a cultural phenomenon offers rich anthropological material for the interpretation of the Balinese society.

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I found Clifford Geertz observations (notes) very interesting. Something that stood out was his observation of how the Balinese treat animals, with the exception of the cock and duck. I also found interesting his observation of Balinese men and how they care for their fighting cocks.

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I found the main concept of Geertz's excerpt interesting, when analyzing the Balinese cockfights and further interpreting it using various characteristics he observes. "Cocks are symbolic expressions or magnifications of their owner's self... expressions ... of what the Balinese regard as the direct inversion... morally, and metaphysically, of human status: animality," (Geertz 278).

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Reading "The 'Banking' Concept of Education," really shed light on the ways in which my previous experiences in the education system have stifled my creativity and made me fall into line. Thankfully, I have been able to seek out sources of education elsewhere (social media, internet publications etc.). Without these alternative sources of knowledge I'm not sure that I would be as socially aware as I am now.

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Reading both Berger's "Ways of Seeing" and Freire's "The 'Banking' Concept of Education" both seems to be very interesting and similar reading style. Almost challenging, I learned many new information after reading the two and noticed that Freire's was much easier to put together and understand easier. Freire points out how the method of education was not ideal and he proposes other way to educational learning. I felt he did a great job into explaining the method and exposes both the teacher and learner.

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After reading the, “The ‘Banking’ Concept of Education,” it made me realize how teachers have a big impact on how the students think and execute certain situations based on how they are thought. I also noticed how Freire describes the students are individuals who are just given commands and expected to learn from it without having to do the critical thinking themselves. In addition, he also talked about how the students were not given the opportunity to say their thoughts and express it. Although this is not true on every class, I think that this idea is what made us students think that it is wrong to speak up and ask questions in class.

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After reading “The ‘Banking’ Concept of Education”, I could understand how he could change the way of teaching and learning. By many of his example, I felt it is easier than to read “The way of Seeing” (John Berger). Moreover, I really like how he compared the learning or studying to banking. I noticed that there is some of example, it is similar to me. When I was in secondary school, I just tried to learn as a machine to get a best grade for my high school. In Freire’s essay, he tried to explain the Problem-posing education is the most convenient method of teaching that exposes the leaner to the reality of the world.

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After reading Freire's concept of banking, I realized how this system of education is forced upon us, with students blindly accepting what is given by the instructor. He explains how students are basically machines and how students are restricted and unable to think for themselves. Reading this made me think about how the educational system can be improved, without dulling the brain.

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After reading Freire, something I found interesting was how he talks about making the teacher-student equals in order to eliminate oppression in education. I feel like this is connected to the way Freire feels about society in politics as well. That in the elimination of classes, there will be liberation. Especially in the way he talks about the banking concept teaching us to adapt to control and oppression in society as well. In school the deposits are facts and memorization, and in life it is propaganda and slogans teaching us what to think.

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I think it was interesting that Freire started off talking about the "banking" concept of education and explained what it really was and what it did for the students. But near the ending of his writings, he started talking about the problem-posing way of education as well and how it should be used over the "banking" concept.

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Paolo Freire probably would not be a fan of the education narration style found throughout Asia. Students are taught to memorize facts over really thinking for oneself. Sadly it seems to be a widespread issue. Freire suggests two different methods but what I like about them is that it takes a combined effort of the teacher and student to overcome oppression in the classroom. There is a lot of room for realistic improvements in the education system which suggests something to be optimistic about. Freire's piece is clear and easy to understand compared to Berger.

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Mohamad Rooei 
after reading Freires article i think Freire did an awesome job. He constantly makes the student think about themselves and what they would do. He points out the things that are most obvious in the educational system and that's what makes people think. He is devoted to make the reader think about the differences about the banking system and his way which is problem-posing system, however he does not attack the banking system like many other writes that do.

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Mohamad Rooei 
after reading Freires article i think Freire did an awesome job. He constantly makes the student think about themselves and what they would do. He points out the things that are most obvious in the educational system and that's what makes people think. He is devoted to make the reader think about the differences about the banking system and his way which is problem-posing system, however he does not attack the banking system like many other writes that do.

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Angela Julio
As I was reading Freire's essay, I feel like he is just an angry man and is taking out on education. But not just the way the curriculum is structure but the way teachers and educators teach the curriculum. I think his anger is misdirected to the teachers. 

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Angela Julio
As I was reading Freire's essay, I feel like he is just an angry man and is taking out on education. But not just the way the curriculum is structure but the way teachers and educators teach the curriculum. I think his anger is misdirected to the teachers. 

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Freire's argument deals with a lot of concepts at the same time, but the main thesis I believe is to gain freedom of thought in the classrooms. He talks about consciousness of humans when they deal with "banking concept" and its reflection on one's view of reality. At the end of the day, we are all humans that want to grow, and what Freire says is that the way we could understand the reality of the world and become more "human" is to think critically and freely.

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When I am reading Freire's article, I feel a little bit pressure due to his words usage. I can feel what he wrote about the "banking concept" education method because it happened to me. Maybe everyone would feel a little because the for most basic knowledge, it is hard to related with real life, it is difficult to say what we learn is what we will use because some of them just become the base of what we need to learn in the future. And before we can combine the knowledge together, it would have the situation or period to "deposit" important words only.

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Freire does bring up some interesting topics that somehow correlate banking to teaching. While I might not be able to fully understand the concepts, it is interesting to speak with other teachers about their opinions of his concepts

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Paolo Freire brings up an amazing topic on how easily the mind of children and students can be taught in a way that they are not free thinkers, but rather as followers. They become a walking stored information system that cannot think for themselves.

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Delia Rosenberg
When I read this passage in Freire’s “The Banking Education” article, made me think of the trouble makers teenagers “They are treated as… marginal persons who deviate from general configuration of a ‘good, organized , and just’ society…These marginals need to be ‘integrated’ ‘incorporated into the healthy society that they have ‘forsaken’ (246).”  Freire argues that what they need is to be heard. I think that is a good approach to solve a problem, to listen and to make others feel their opinions are valuable.

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Delia Rosenberg
When I read this passage in Freire’s “The Banking Education” article, made me think of the trouble makers teenagers “They are treated as… marginal persons who deviate from general configuration of a ‘good, organized , and just’ society…These marginals need to be ‘integrated’ ‘incorporated into the healthy society that they have ‘forsaken’ (246).”  Freire argues that what they need is to be heard. I think that is a good approach to solve a problem, to listen and to make others feel their opinions are valuable.

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After reading Paublo Freire's "The Banking Concept" I was really fascinated by the way he perceived the educational system. I fully agree with what he is talking about on the banking concept. We have to change the way we educate our students so we won't have them spoon fed everything.

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While reading Paulo Freire's chapter on "The 'Banking' Concept of Education" I realized how much our education system is similar to the banking concept that he writes about.  I feel like the way he describes it is very similar to todays common core system, where students have to memorize the way that subjects are taught, instead of figuring it out their own way.

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Freire's "The Banking Concept of Education" makes me think about my educated experiences. Teachers "deposit" the knowledge, and students "meekly" accept it. He also mentioned the "problem- posing concept" which is a solution of the "banking concept" situation. Although people started realize this should be changed, it's still difficult to make students question their professors or change the way professors teaching.

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After reading "The "Banking" Concept of Education" I noticed that Paulo Freire compared learning and teaching skills to banking concepts. I like how he compared it to banking because I understood what he was trying to explain. He mentions that we believe teachers are more knowledgeable and that students believe that they should be learning from the teacher only. We always thought that the student should learn from the teacher but Freire mentions that it should be teachers learning from students also.

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While reading Paulo Freire's "Banking Concept," I felt that it was much easier to read than Berger's essay. The introductions of all of his ideas were all included through smooth transitions. His ideas were clear and he explained them well through multiple examples. It was interesting to read about how these concepts easily affect our lives without us even realizing it.

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Paulo Friere’s article, “The “Banking” Concept of Education” Paulo Friere describes how the traditional banking concept works and certain ways this concept can be changed to better suit the needs of the student and/or teacher in his vision. One question I have is what nation was Paulo Friere born in and where did he die? Another question I have is what year did Paulo Friere establish his theory on the “banking” concept of education?

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Paulo Freire shared some interesting opinions about teaching in our educational system in his essay "The Banking Concept of Education". He believes our system lacks critical thinking skills. I had to read his essay twice before I actually made sense of his writing. He uses many complex descriptors to describe his "banking" idea of our learning structure. I underlined a few words that I needed to look definitions up for.

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After reading The "Banking" Concept of Education by Paulo Freire, I could feel his efforts to change the way of teaching of teachers and how the students learned. In Paulo Freire's opinion, we study like a machine, or statue. We go on learning about everything but sometimes we can't make use of it. That we need to change the consciousness of both teachers and students. We need to find the connection between them and turn teaching and learning into real consciousness.

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Most parts of Freire's writing were pretty straight forward, specifically when discussing about the banking concept of education and the teachers' and students' roles. Though there were parts where the wording got a little confusing, such as when he talked about the consciousness of the world, "I cannot exist without a non-I. In turn, the non-I depends on that existence," (Freire 8).

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Something that I am still having trouble understanding are some of Berger’s ideas. I think I need to look deeper into his thoughts and texts. For example, he mentioned in his “Ways of Seeing” that looking at paintings or art from the past is more helpful than looking at articles and text from the past. I honestly believe that both could be just equally helpful.

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I am still having a hard time following his writing. Discussing Berger during class helped a lot but when I attempt to read other parts of the reading I still feel slightly confused.

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In Berger’s “Way’s of seeing”, there are a lot of interesting themes, but my favorite isn’t that we should view art in their historical context, such as art in the present should be viewed through the goggles of a person living today. I don’t quite understand why the powerful and elite would use art to “brainwash” those of lower classes, was it intentional or just a side product.. For the most part I find his work confusing

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In Berger’s essay, “Ways of Seeing,” he strongly expressed the fact that art always incorporates with history and this is what gives it its value. In terms of value, he also explains throughout the essay that an art piece’s value is the amount of history and thought behind it. However, on the other hand, he also implies that the value can just mean the price of the piece. After reading his writing over again, I then realized that there are really many ways of seeing - which is the title of the essay in which Berger consisently tries to emphasize in this whole essay.

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After watching and re reading ways of seeing by John Berger, I see the different aspects that he has about art. I see the he thinks that the rich people use art as a way of representing their power.

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After reading and discussing more about "Ways of Seeing", I realized that Berger is explaining how people with a lot of wealth were the only ones that really owned art pieces. Also, collecting art was important because it was more valuable back then. Nowadays, you can see artwork being reproduced easily. Also, he mentions the concept of mystification but I am not really understanding what he is implying.

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Christy Bui

After reading Berger's "Ways of Seeing," I have many questions and knowledge regarding to art and the history behind it. What is art with out history? Why does the price make the art more valuable? Why can't we see all art equally? Although, after discussing in class on Berger's "Ways Of Seeing" it became easier to understand and I learned a few interesting history of art. His essay about history of art is a mystification concept which is a bit confusing.

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After reading Berger's first chapter of "Ways of Seeing", I learned about his view of art. However, I still considering the true value of art. Does art need an amount to show its "price"? Some people think that art collecting makes art works more valuable, but in Berger's opinion, the reason why some of the art are "better" than others is people add the title "Great" to it. So, for art itself, is it necessary to compare to each other?

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After reading “Way of Seeing” multiple time, I found out that I could understand many meanings of the concept that Berger wanted to introduce his audience about what different between the past and the present of arts. I have found the issues of art that it should be appreciated in visual or contextual. Moreover, through his essay, I realize that the history of art still has a little mystery because the history I have learned or heard from the book and other people may be wrong.

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After reading "Way's of Seeing" by John Berger I noticed how the value of art is entirely dependent on how the elite of society value it. John Berger sees this as a problem because the elite would be able to manipulate prices of art and through that they will control the history we all indulge ourselves in. I did not catch this when I read it the first time.

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Reading "Ways of Seeing" multiple times allowed me to further my understanding of the concepts that Berger introduce, such as mystification and the different lenses that everybody has. While writing the precis, I was just confused on exactly what type of article to write on. I feel that the directions were a bit broad and it could've been explained a bit more. However, I found many great articles, all ranging in subject about Berger and their interpretations of him and his ideas.

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After reading ways of seeing it shows me how people have different point of view on thing mostly art works and how important or what a work of art could mean to ones point of view of it. Also it's crazy how people are willing to pay such large amount of money for a work of art and only wealthy people could own them

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After reading "Ways of Seeing", I found Berger mentioned too many ideas in a chapter. So it is a hard part for me to connect all parts of the chapter together. I thought about photograph gives people a wider way to know about art rather than the mystification created by the "ruling class". However, Berger still gave an unacceptable attitude to photograph. Which way of seeing is wonderful for him?

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After reading Ways of Seeing many times over and over I still question the concept mystification. On page 16, the way in which he explains to readers on what to do in order to avoid mystification of the past made me ask more questions than actually answering to question on how mystification should be avoided. The way he words the essay is also kind of contradictory in some parts and takes some time to make sense of his words.

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After reading John Berger's first chapter of "Ways of Seeing" a couple of more times, I am still quite confused on what he means by mystification. I think I understand the basic concept of it, which is removing the art from the original context it was once in. It seems that mystification is something that is unresolvable by the general public.

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I still have some issues relating Berger’s essay, “Ways of Seeing”, to the past and the “ruling class”. When we discussed it during class, it made sense, but when I read the essay the first time I did not fully comprehend “the relation between a present and its past.” (11) I also found the concept of “mystification” confusing, even after our class discussion. I have reread the essay multiple times and still cannot fully comprehend what Berger means by the concept.

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Something I still don't quite understand about Berger are his political views. I did some research for my RP about his politics but I am still a little confused. Specifically in "Ways of Seeing" he suggests that both the rich owning art and keeping it hidden from the people is mystification, but then also suggests that when art is put in a museum and belongs to the public that it is also mystification. I am curious what Berger would think to be a solution to this mystification since it seems it is there no matter what we do.

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After reading and re-reading "Ways of Seeing" multiple times, I have found myself really enjoying his viewpoints on how art should be appreciated visually and contextually. While I may not believe in his Marxist views, I still do agree with his artist standpoint.

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After reading ways of seeing, I clearly saw a difference between history and now is that art works were only kept by wealthy families and aristocracy. Currently, these works have been stored in museums or copied into many copies to be used for many purposes such as teaching, ... Through which we can predict, what we feel now will be very different from history. In my opinion, the meaning of the arts or pictures from the history is still a mystery because maybe the things we learn from the previous people are gradually wrong.

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Towards the end of the essay, I got the feeling that Berger was implying another way of mystification. I realized he was saying that the ruling class that used to own most of the original works of art, now with the hype of reproduction, they lost the control over the works of art. As a result, they are trying to use reproduction as a tool to manipulate the meaning of the works of art. I am just wondering if this is a valid assumption from Berger's argument or not?

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For T 2/19-Add some comments: What questions do you have? What are you still having problems understanding? Worth 2 points.

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For T 2/19-Add some comments: What questions do you have? What are you still having problems understanding? Worth 2 points.

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What is the history that Berger writes about in the essay?

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As I was reading "Ways of Seeing" the sentences and quotes were really interesting especially when he says "Each evening we see the sun set. We know that the earth is turning away from it. The way he puts things in his words catches my attention. When i sat the art work "The Key of Dreams" i was confused because i was seeing something else and as i read the reading in the art i was picturing something else.

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The quote I enjoyed from Berger’s text was “Out of true with the present, these assumptions obscure the past. They mystify rather than clarify.” Berger really emphasized on comparing the past and the present in history on his text. In this quote, he is trying to explain that whatever we thought about the past confuses what we will think towards the present. I agree with this statement as it happens to me frequently. Also, I personally think that his text was a bit challenging to read but I think that by repetition and more discussions in class would help me analyze it better. His writings had a numerous amount of examples and explanations which were nice.

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John Berger compares the relationship between the past and the present. Often times throughout history, humans have tried to covered a past that makes the present somewhat nicer. He states, "Consequently fear of the present leads to mystification of the past" (11). This type of relationship between the past and the present alters the truth, which he calls "mystification." Making something wrong a right.

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Mohamad Rooei After reading john Berger's "ways of seeing" it is interesting to see how Berger describes his sentences. My favorite part was when he says we don't always see the painters intentions as he would of liked us to see it. This can clearly be seen in Picassos paintings. Picassos intentions on painting was to express what it means to be alive at first glance Picassos painting look like you have entered a maze of crazy shapes, colors and messed up faces for some this might not be a clear representation of life.

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Mohamad Rooei After reading john Berger's "ways of seeing" it is interesting to see how Berger describes his sentences. My favorite part was when he says we don't always see the painters intentions as he would of liked us to see it. This can clearly be seen in Picassos paintings. Picassos intentions on painting was to express what it means to be alive at first glance Picassos painting look like you have entered a maze of crazy shapes, colors and messed up faces for some this might not be a clear representation of life.

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After reading "Ways of seeing" I felt so compelled and intrigued by the way Berger perceives the world. He would see the world in a broad perspective and I like the way he thinks about things.

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After reading the first chapter " Ways of seeing." I feel that the past of history is very interesting through the ways which Berger wrote. I like the quote " the experience from which they derive and which they express -- desire experiencing itself as the end of the world, the eye's endless rediscovery, as if for the first time, of their love of familiar body -- all this comes before and goes beyond words." I imagine that if we opened our eyes to history behind the scenes, our eyes to the wordless language that a painting exhibited, the beauty of the picture would lay bare before our eyes. We will see another ways how work of art not follow an ordinary viewing.

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After reading the first chapter of John Berger's "Ways of Seeing," one thing that caught my eye was that when we view a painting, we do not always see the painter's intentions and what he wanted the viewer to see.  An example of this can be found in Vincent Van Gogh's Wheatfield with Crows. At first glance, this seems to be a work of art that depicts a sun and harvested wheat. The line that is written below the painting states that "this is the last picture that Van Gogh painted before he killed himself" (Berger, p.28). These words alter our view towards the painting, creating a deeper underlying meaning.

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The part of Berger that stuck out the most to me was how he talks about captions being put on art like in a magazine. He says how it can change the way we see the art. Like when it shows Vincent Van Gogh's 'Wheatfield with Crows' with the caption "This is the last picture that Van Gogh painted before he killed himself", it changes the context and the way you see the painting, and not with the message Vincent intended. The first line that says, "Seeing comes before words. The child looks and recognizes before it can speak." really makes sense when thinking about this painting with the words beneath it. Instead of seeing the painting as it is and then reading, the words now define the painting.

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After taking a look at the first chapter of John Berger's, " Ways of Seeing", there were many questions that came to my mind and as I read through I was very interested in the first chapter already. There's a few art that got me amazed. The way he described art and the vision we have when we see an art or a photograph was very interesting. There is a story behind an art or a picture but what matter is how we portray it.

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After reading John Berger's, "Ways of Seeing", I learned that I never really saw art in an artist's perspective. A while ago, I visited an art museum at Balboa park for a class project. I remember looking at some art pieces and admiring them. Now that I look back, I never really understood or realized how amazing art really is. I saw a few quotes that peaked my interest but there was a quote that explained my perspective of art because I never really had a lot of knowledge about art. John Berger, in his book, "Ways of Seeing" mentions, "Yet when an image is presented as a work of art, the way people look at it is affected by a whole series of learnt assumptions about art."

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After reading Berger's "Ways of seeing", I realized how little time I've spent thinking of the essence of a picture. Probably not an important line when taken out of context but my favorite line from the reading is "Every image embodies a way of seeing. Even a photograph.. Every time we look at a photograph, we are aware, however slightly, of the photographer selecting that sight from an infinity of other possible sights. This is true even in the most casual family snapshot." It's all a matter of how we decide to take the photo, among an infinite number of ways to go about seeing it. As a medium, art or similar works is a lot a fun in comparison to reading as it leaves a lot to the imagination of the viewer. Overall I had difficulty understanding the reading as it can't be broken into a few simple sentences. One of those readings that require another read through.

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After reading John Berger's, "Ways of Seeing" I found a very interesting quotation that stuck out to me. “When we see a landscape, we situate ourselves in it. If we ‘saw’ the art of the past, we would situate ourselves in history. When we are prevented from seeing it, we are being deprived of the history that belongs to us.” (11) I found this quote to be very interesting because it says if we cannot see the art that shows us our history we cannot garner our highest understanding of the history by utilizing our perception and placing our perspective within the confines of the art itself. I now find art to have more importance than I originally presumed.

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I enjoyed reading John Berger’s, “Ways of Seeing”. He explains how pictures and visuals greatly influence word choice and literature. He discussed how perspective was important in learning what the painter was trying to portray and that each person has their own perspective based on experiences and relation to the picture. This reminded me of the old adage, “a picture is worth a thousand words”. Which goes hand in hand with Berger’s conclusions. An illustration can have countless meanings and interpretations based on who is viewing it at the current moment.

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A quote that really stood out to me in "Ways of Seeing" was on page 26 when the writer mentioned that "film unfolds in time and a painting does not." I think that this was very interesting because looking at a painting IS a little more difficult than looking at a film or movie. In a painting, you have to look at every single detail repeatedly. Observing a painting would probably take more time compared to observing films as well.

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During reading "Ways of Seeing", I have a question about Berger's idea. He said that “If we ‘saw’ the art of the past, we would situate ourselves in history which belongs to us”(10) , which is also appeared in our QSR. However, a painting for me cannot be a strong evidence of history, especially the painting before and after high Renaissance. One of the reasons is there is no specific "history" religious painting can show us. Based on the requirement of customers, artists would add something that not belongs to that time period or culture in their work. Secondly, after High Renaissance, there are a lot of new art styles that do not follow the requirement of Renaissance that focus on the real. Baroque, Impressionism, and Neo-classical styles are some kind different from the what people can see in real. That would be the reason why Berger said "To say this is not to deny the expressive or imaginative quality of art, treating it as mere documentary evidence"(10)

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After reading this chapter, I almost felt that I had to look at some of the art that I find interesting or that had stuck some emotion when seeing it. Berger seems discontent with how, we can all have a different understanding of the artist work. When I think art; in all it forms, is to be understood differently by all individuals. We all think and process things differently. And yes, I found Berger to be a bit confusing and hard to follow.

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I like this quote from the reading "Ways of seeing". I think it can be applied to anything in life. “Every image embodies a way of seeing. ... The painter’s way of seeing is reconstituted by the marks he makes on the canvas or paper. Our perception or appreciation of an image depends also upon own way of seeing (10).” “Yet when an image is presented as a work of art, the way people look at it is affected by a whole series of learnt assumptions about art (11).”  This reflection can also be used when we make judgments about famous artist, musicians, and people from cultures other than ours, etc. We make these assumptions based on what it appears to us, or on our own prejudices, and not in what they really are.

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Berger's quote in our reading, "When the camera reproduces a painting, it destroys the uniqueness of its image. As a result its meaning changes. Or, more exactly, its meaning multiples and fragments into many meanings."  (19)  Am I missing something or is that what all painters' ideas are. I thought that most painters believed that there are many viewpoints in "my piece of art", but it is up to the eye of the beholder to ascertain their personal take on the art.  Why is Berger seemingly irritated at the desire of photographers taking pictures of historical pieces to produce quality reproductions?  Does he believe that once a picture of a picture is taken that the initial picture loses value in some way?
As I read further on, the answer to my question was in Berger's ideals.

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A quote that I really enjoyed from the reading was, "The idea of innocence faces two ways. ... To remain innocent may also be to remain ignorant." While the author is specifically talking about how art has become a political issue, I believe that this quote can relate to anything. The world today has many rising issues that many turn a blind eye to. It's easy to ignore something when we don't believe it affects us. Being aware and understanding of these issues could lead us to change our actions in order to better ourselves. It was interesting to see him correlate this with art, because I have never thought about that idea before.

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I like the first quote which in the beginning " Seeing comes before words, the child look and recognizes before it can speak ". I imagine the time when human beings had no written language. We admire the natural beauty or objects through the eyes and remember it. We then try to redraw them with symbolic images. And finally we create language. We use words to express our world, memory and feelings. Each reader will have different feelings. Just like historical arts, of course the current feelings will be very different from those who lived at that time.

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Starting off by a quote “The real question is: to whom does the meaning of the art of the past properly belong? To those who can apply it to their own lives, or to a cultural hierarchy of relic specialists?” (page 32) The author does not start the argument with the clear image of what he is trying to achieve. I would say that the whole argument has been written in a very smart and subtle way to promote a belief system, his belief system. Even one could use the argument against itself since the author is writing with well-built thoughts about Marxism and Capitalism (exactly like the kind of looking at the original Last Supper after having seen and judged it before). Another example would be jury decision making in a court. Judging about an argument (a work of art) with a background thought in mind would not even be close to being fair and accurate.

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I found Berger's statement about cameras insightful, "When the camera reproduces a painting, it destroys the uniqueness of its image, [...] its meaning multiplies," (Berger 19). I thought of how those captured images are later placed in various areas where spectators view them in different ways that may not always align with the main intentions the author put into the painting.

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I really like this quote and I want to share this Quote with you guys from John Berger, Way of seeing . “The relation between what we see and what we know is never settled. Each evening we see the sun set. We know that the earth is turning away from it. Yet the knowledge, the explanation, never quite fits the sight.”

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For T 2/12-comment on Berger-an idea or quote you enjoy; a question; something you are having problems understanding. Leave a post 35-50 words. Worth 2 points.

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For T 2/12-comment on Berger-an idea or quote you enjoy; a question; something you are having problems understanding. Leave a post 35-50 words. Worth 2 points.

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One of my favorite parts of Berger's essay is the last line: "This is why - and this is the only reason why - the entire art
of the past has now become a political issue."

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Something that I still have a difficult time doing is using Blackboard and checking what is due. In my opinion, I am a very disorganized person and usually do not keep up with due dates. With this, I did not know that this discussion board existed. Because of this, I will try to be up to date with the class schedule and due dates. I had to read "Introduction: Ways of Reading" a couple of times to understand most of the content, as it is a somewhat difficult piece for me to comprehend.  I tend to skim through articles and not grasp the words I read. I feel that I do not usually read an article more than once, due to being confused by the difficulty of the reading. With this one, I took more of my time to read and understand the content of the piece. Overall, this was very insightful!

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Something that I had trouble with in class was the schedule and readings. I did not know that we were already supposed to start reading in the first week and write a journal entry in the second week. Now that I have a clearer understanding of what the class is going to be like, I can better manage my time to do all my assignments. I did however, read a few paragraphs or so during class today. A quote that stood out to me the most was "We think of reading as a social interaction" because I never really thought of reading like that before. I don't dislike reading but I also don't like it either. But if I think of reading and thinking this way, it might be more enjoyable to do.

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Reading long articles always make me feel scared, and i start reading it without understanding the idea of it. After reading the article, first i thought that it will be hard to understand it, but the author present the idea in a clear way. It's not short and it got alot of hard words, but it got a good ideas to use while reading. Imagine that the author is talking to you, and you answer him directly, so it will keep the information in your mind, and will help you to understand it faster, but i still need to read it more than one time to understand it clearly.

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After reading "Introduction: Ways of Reading" I realized that it can be difficult to understand and process what I am reading unless I read it over again. Sometimes I have to read it multiple times to understand what I just read. I am not a strong reader and I honestly do not read a lot so reading the article was a little difficult for me but I learned some new writing techniques. It is also difficult to focus on reading long articles while trying to understand what the author is trying to apply.

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usually i read articles from the internet and its not long as the introduction way of reading. i had some problems understand the essay because i had the image its long and difficult, but while i keep reading and repeat what i read over again i start the little bit understand. i liked what it said that each person have its own ideas and its different from others.

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I myself am not a good reading or writer but reading "Introduction: Ways of reading" shows that I am not the only one that thinks reading and writing are difficult skills to achieve. It also makes me realize how writing is so important for reading and can help you understand the reading and it gives you a guideline for a major writing like a paper.

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After reading "Introduction: Ways of Reading" I checked the time and was surprised to see that it had taken me about an hour to finish. The content was not particularly difficult to understand but I now know that the speed at which I read is quite slow. I'm not a "Strong" reader, not like the one described in the reading. As the reading suggests, it is important to understand where the writer is coming from with the knowledge one has of the context. It's odd to think that what I read and interpret of a text may vary completely with another student's interpretation. As a student, I am encouraged to improve my writing through practice and revision, but rarely have I actually done so. I'm anxious as to what kind of deep thought I will need to expend on understanding a reading from different perspectives, from against the grain and with it. I don't actually know the process by which I write academic essays as it usually is whatever I type at the moment.

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While reading Ways of Reading I felt less bad about my writing skills,  most of the techniques the essay recommends to use when in the process of writing, I already have used them  in my previous English 101 class. I usually have trouble to begin writing an essay  and one of the passage of the book that I thought would be useful to me was the freshman student’s essay The Banking Concept of Education which was short and concise. His technique: “ I read through the Freire essay and I worked with what I understood and ignored the rest”14.

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Having taken a couple of English classes, I could say that I have encountered the phrase "Deep reading" so many times. At the very beginning I thought that this concept just meant I needed to read the kind of texts that are full of fancy words which I would not understand. However, it turned out that any kind of text can be read thoroughly and critically. For me the process that it took till I got the concept was like an endurance run. In other words, at first I was not able to completely comprehend an article and write about it. I would only read the text, get a general picture and write the general form again. But as I pushed myself forward, like a runner, I understood that I am not supposed to agree with everything in a text, but I can be a critic myself. I can say that the readings that were assigned this week reinforced my understanding towards critical reading.

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After reading “Finding Your Way In” I realized that reading long articles and books I get confused not because I don't understand the material but because the article had a lot of information and was extremely long. Some things that I was educated on during reading the article was that free writing really does help the brain jumpstart when writing a essay or article.

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Quite honestly, it took me a long time to read both of the given reading so for this week. Not because it wasn’t too difficult to read, but because it wa so full of examples and that they were both very long. Despite that, I really liked the insight and effort that was given by both readings. They both explained that reading was different from understanding, which many students  could relate with. This could give many individuals a chance to relate on themselves and their personal habits. Overall, the readings were insightful and helpful to many!

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I spend a lot of time reading the article, and the there are a lot of reasons. First reason is that focusing on article for a long time seems hard for me. But for this long article, I would forget what I just read when I abstracted by something fun or when I was tired of reading and want to relax a while. And the second reason is that the article is difficult for me. I am always not confident about if I understand the article correctly, and I like the author gives me an idea that to form my own thoughts. It might helpful for me to be more confident about what I read.

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While reading 'The Introduction to Ways of Reading' I found that it can be very beneficial to change your perspective on the intentions of the writer and the reason why you are reading. This applies to how you write as well. It says a way to write is to "think of yourself, then, as a writer, on opening up a subject rather than closing one down". I liked this because I know when writing about a certain difficult subject you feel like you must be correct and have all the final answers, but really you are just a writer who is thinking this thing in this time. I thought this was an interesting perspective on writing and how to perceive the writer as a reader also.

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After reading the multiple books we have to read. I realized that there's a lot of words I do not know and phrases I get confused on. I would have to reread certain parts of the text to fully understand what I am reading.