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1. Does Holden deserve to be in a mental hospital?

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1. Does Holden deserve to be in a mental hospital?

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Yes. He really needs help. Since he can be found usually drinking alcohol to drink away from his problems. His problems have been ignored for so long, he has created a twisted version of the world and believing he's the only smart person there. He really needs help...

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I think that he does have issues don't get me wrong, but he does have a good reason for doing what he does. He runs because he hates the school. He decides to not go west because he realizes that he wants to stay with his sister.

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I think Holden matures throughout the book because of the experiences he gets while going around New York City. The rite of passage was him realizing that he wanted to protect children.

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Holden does mature throughout the book.He started out very immature while at Pency, but when he goes to New York he experiences a lot more adult challenges that help him mature.

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First of all, a catcher in the rye is the person in the field of rye who saves children from falling down, this symbolizes childhood, and how Holden lost his, but Allie and Phoebe are the closest to saving it, Phoebe is so emotionally attached to Holden, this shows after the museum at the carousel, which represents how Holden wants to keep his childhood, and Phoebe is trying to save it by telling him to join her on there, and Allie was a good friend and brother to Holden, he was smart and caring for him, the memory he has is the mitt with all the poems, so Holden has reasons to see them as catchers in the rye.

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6. What does Holden mean by what he says about Phoebe and the gold ring? What point is he making and what does this reveal about him? (273)

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6. What does Holden mean by what he says about Phoebe and the gold ring? What point is he making and what does this reveal about him? (273)

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The golden ring gives kids such as Phoebe a chance to be independent. Holden realizes that some kids who reach for the ring may fall off and possibly get hurt. The act of getting hurt and getting back up again is apart of life. Holden understands that Phoebe has to grow up soon, and must choose to allow her to experience these things by herself.

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Do you think parents are more understanding now then they use to be, say, in the 1940s and 1950s?  What are the similarities and differences?

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In the beginning of the novel Holden is not very mature but throughout the novel he has experience that change him and make him mature.Also in the end he end up thinking that adults are not actually "phonies" because he gets a sense of mature near the end.

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7. What do the last two lines of the book mean? What do they indicate has happened or will happen to Holden?

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7. What do the last two lines of the book mean? What do they indicate has happened or will happen to Holden?

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No I don't think Holden needs to be in a mental hospital. Although he is very immature, he is also very wise beyond his years.

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Holden does mature in this book. The experiences he has throughout New York City force Holden to face reality and grow up, maybe faster than he wanted.

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I think that the last 2 lines of the book means that whenever you tell people things, it creates a bond with that person, and when they are gone, you will miss them. I think Holden will become a hermit because of this.

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I believe that he doesn't need to be in a mental hospital. He has many thoughts about other things but I think he just needs a psychiatrist in order to sort out his many thoughts.

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The last two lines of the book mean that if you talk about your feelings, you will end up feeling them more than before. I believe Holden will end up breaking at one point and all of his emotions come out at once rather than at separate times.

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Parents now are more understanding than they used to be because there is more to learn now because of technology.

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9. How would you describe Holden's relationship with women? What does this tell us about Holden?

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9. How would you describe Holden's relationship with women? What does this tell us about Holden?

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Well, for starters, his relationship with women is pretty...bad. He can never mantain a conversation with a woman, and he always makes it awkward. His social skills affect his relationships with his women, which are poor! This also tells us that he's a introvert and a 'socially dumb' person. Since his social skills lack. We see this throughout the book, where he can never keep a conversation going for more than 5 minutes!

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I think that he has decided that he regrets going away from pencey and all of those other things. I think that he doesn't want to be on his own and actually misses the people that caused him to leave Pencey early in the first place

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I feel he idolizes them because he sees them as better than him, and he thinks they can care for themselves and not hurt themselves. This relates to him being the "catcher in the rye" because he wants to help guide children to possibly be like Phoebe and Allie.

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Holden has issues because he seems to have no empathy towards the world he is in, because all the people he knows have in one way or another
turned their back on him. Except Phoebe because she has always been there for him.

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I think that his relationship with women is that he respects them only if they respect him.. This shows that his character is that he respects others more when they prove they are "worthy" of respect.

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I do not think Holden should be in a mental hospital. He does have some things that should be worked out, but overall his choices had a reason behind them.

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I think Holden has many issues with school and his life in general. He doesn't always make good decisions, for example he did not take his school seriusly and dropped out.

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Yes, definitely. All throughout the book, Holden is a childish idiot, and does not want to grow up. However, towards the end, he realizes that maybe growing up isn't so bad, and it is even necessary.

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10. Why does Holden idolize Phoebe and Allie so much? How does that relate to his dream of being the “catcher in the rye”?

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10. Why does Holden idolize Phoebe and Allie so much? How does that relate to his dream of being the “catcher in the rye”?

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Phoebe and Allie are both innocent. I think "catcher in the rye" means protector of innocence.

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Based on Holden’s experiences, do you think he DESERVES to be in a mental hospital? Why or why not—prosecute or defend him.

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I feel like parents in the 1940s/1950s were less understanding than they are today because there wasn't as much technology/social media back then like there is today that parents could use to check on their kids

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I support some of Holden's ideas like some people can be phonies for legitimate reasons like trying to act a certain way to impress people. Another example is him caring for other children to save their childhood from ideas like profanity that was found on the school. But he also has issues because of how suicidal he is, drinking away problems with alcohol, and smoking cigarettes a lot of the time. He doesn't try to find a good way to solve his problems and complains when he tries.

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Some of his decisions are not very thought out and some of his decisions are not of bad intentions but I think he could think about what he is doing more logically and actually understand what he is doing.For example,when leaving the school Pencey he should have probably thought of staying there so he could be safer and i know that he didn't want to room with Stradler for one more day but the decision he made was not the best.Some of his unthought of decisions plus the depression that comes along the side makes me think he has problems.

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10. Why does Holden idolize Phoebe and Allie so much? How does this relate to his dream being a ''catcher in the rye''?

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10. Why does Holden idolize Phoebe and Allie so much? How does this relate to his dream being a ''catcher in the rye''?

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He idolizes them both because they are child prodigies, smart individuals who had a good life set out for them. They're both smart individuals unlike everyone else in the world. (From Holden's perspective) And since they are both children, and Holden's dream pertains to catching children before they fall... perhaps this means he wanted to catch them both before they experienced failure (falling off the cliff).

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His relationship is good yet bad. It depends on the person. If it is Jane he likes her for who she is, if it is any other women he looks to them as women. It shows that his personality is kind of rude and child like.

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1. Based on Holden’s experiences, do you think he DESERVES to be in a mental hospital? Why or why not—prosecute or defend him.

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1. Based on Holden’s experiences, do you think he DESERVES to be in a mental hospital? Why or why not—prosecute or defend him.

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I think he deserves to be in a mental hospital. He feels lonely throughout the trip through New York. He aslo gets very drunk.

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I hate when kid and player suck up to there teachers or coaches to get a better grade or get more playing time.

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Holden is a gentleman, and even if he thinks a woman is dumb or phony, he will be respectful to them. However, he is also, naturally, a sex-crazed teenager, and that creates certain problems for him

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One of my biggest pet peeves is when people intentionally try to annoy me or when people are rude to me when I try to help them. Also when my mom goes off on me for no reason and everything she says to me has an attitude

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I think parents are more understanding now because the expectations today are not as high.

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Holdens relationship with women is not regular in the fact that he is passinate about getting with them but dosen't ever do anything to be with them he "somehow finds a way to mess it up. This reveals that Holden and intament relationships do not go well togeather

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I hate it so much when people swear in public places even if they know for a fact that there is a child there that isn't theirs. I also hate when people argue in public and just cause scenes

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Holden's relationship with women is that he respects them, most of the time because after all Holden is a sex crazy teen

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5. Does Holden mature in this book? Does he experience a rite of passage that transforms him into an adult? Why or why not?

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5. Does Holden mature in this book? Does he experience a rite of passage that transforms him into an adult? Why or why not?

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Yes, I believe that Holden has personally become more mature. He has learned that there is more to life than just smoking, cussing, and drinking. He sees that he has important people in his life such as Phoebe, his family, and other companions. Yes, Holden has gone down a right of passage. Holden's peers have allowed him to start to see elements of his life from a more positive perspective, rather than from a negative point of view.

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Holden's relationship with women shows that he is a caring person, but he is very bad at committing to anyone. Holden enjoys the thought of "giving someone the time," but has never actually been able to commit to someone in that way.

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Like Holden, one of my moral/ ethical pet peeve is when people act fake around you.When you have fake people surrounded by you you think they are one way but they just are the opposite of what they are and it one of my biggest pet peeves.

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I believe that Holden does mature throughout the book because of the things he experiences/the problems he faces

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Everyday at lunch people chew with their mouths open

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Holden really wants an intimate relationship with most women to try to seem cool or bandwagon with what other guys do, but with women who are genuine and personality wise attractive to Holden he wants a genuine relationship

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I really don't like it when people start fights. In my opinion, it is an illogical way to solve a problem, and it doesn't even solve the problem!

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When you you get a 23 on a test and people ask you what you got , knowing exactly how you did, just so they can boost their self esteem

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Holden is telling this story to his therapist, so he is clearly back with his family, and they have concluded that he has issues, and I believe that he is getting the help he needs

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2. Do you support his decisions or do you think he “has issues”? Explain.

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2. Do you support his decisions or do you think he “has issues”? Explain.

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I do not support most of the decisions that Holden makes in the book early on. His decisions to go into bars, smoke, and blow money on prostitutes are not appropriate for a boy his age. Holden is depressed, and allows himself to let his mindset become very twisted and go down the wrong paths. Sure, he "has issues", but these bad habits that Holden has endorsed can always be reverted to more positive things

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When people complain and have a bad attitude about everything

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I feel he has some issues. This doesn't mean that he can't make good decisions, he does make some. However, most of his decisions are not beneficial to himself or others.

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when i say something and only one person hears me and then they say the exact same thing but louder and gets the cred

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3. Do you think parents are more understanding now then they use to be, say, in the 1940s and 1950s?

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3. Do you think parents are more understanding now then they use to be, say, in the 1940s and 1950s?

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Parents are less understanding then they use to be in the 1940's and 1950's. They are still protective like back then, but with technology they are more strict and more hard on children because of the access they have to the world

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9. . How would you characterize Holden’s relationship with women? What does this tell us about his character?

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9. . How would you characterize Holden’s relationship with women? What does this tell us about his character?

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Holden thinks as women as things to play around with, except for his family and the few girls he truly cares about such as Jane. This tells us he is immature and still not understanding of women, but then again it is the 1900's where women were thought of lower than men.

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1. Based on Holden’s experiences, do you think he DESERVES to be in a mental hospital? 

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1. Based on Holden’s experiences, do you think he DESERVES to be in a mental hospital? 

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Holden does not deserve to be in a mental hospital because as he does have troubles, he isn't severe enough to be hospitalized

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4.  What moral/ethical pet peeves do you have that happen every day and drive you crazy?

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4.  What moral/ethical pet peeves do you have that happen every day and drive you crazy?

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People who search for bible verses for every problem they have