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Good focused, civilized discussion.

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I wouldn't say loss of respect; I would say that the boys want action; they want to do something; not discuss the best solution for a problem

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daniel, the kids dont understand what ralph is trying to do, and this is causing his loss of respect

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yes ava, we can already see it

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Jacks false sense of hope will destroy the children

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They did a great job explaining each question

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back to the slowly deteriorating of the shell, and the houses elizabeth

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no correct answers!

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Ralph is making wise decisions that are for the benefit of the group; Jack is making "what I want to do" decisions

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Do you think that jack is more likely to lose his humanity over ralph?

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Nice, group #2! I like how everyone contributed and was included

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Who would Jack be willing to cut off to survive if he was leader?

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Did anyone notice how, at the start of the chapter, Ralph was determined that this assembly would NOT be fun? Such a change from the fair boy we first met.

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Do people not want to focus on how to get rescued because it forces them to realize that it might not happen?

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Another nice question Reece

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I like that lillian clarified the boy separate beliefs on how to survive the island

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2 types of survival...interesting discussion, I think.

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Lillian was correct when she said that they would be on the island longer if Jack was leader; he is more focused on savage ideas but Ralph is more on rescue

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long term vs short term (hope/survival)

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the littleuns are somewhat useless, and thats why they are becoming the scapegoat

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Can the littluns be expected to help to the extent that Ralph wants them to?

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Good point Reece, I agree with that

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I agree with Lillian; Jack is trying to shift the blame on someone else to make himself look good. He blames the littluns because they can't do anything back and are defenseless

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Nice job inviting Sean, Elizabeth.

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I like how Elizabeth and Lillian compared Jack and Ralph's different versions of survival

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I think Ava mengine has a good point about the beast being a coping mechanism

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I like how they are going in depth on each question and discussing thoroughly

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I like the connection of prior experience as a child and the way we used to think - connecting it to the littluns and how they think and act

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I like how marisa clarified what Elizabeth was saying about the beast purpose

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yes, elizabeth, going back to one of the earlier chapters, jack says something along the lines of, "we can have rules, and anyone who doesnt follow them will be punished"

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I agree and think that the littluns are very young and the beastie is their way of interpreting their surroundings and situations

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I think that the littluns have still retained their innocence; the beast is the bigguns who have decided that they want to do what they want to do no matter if another course of action would be wiser

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I like the opening discussion over the beast. Good opener. Developing a deeper knowledge of the beast and the symbolism of it.

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I like what Marisa said about the boys being afraid of what they've done and what they have to do

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the conflict between ralph and jack gives the children fear because of the uncertainty of leadership

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Lillian mentioned that Jack said there's no beast, but IF there is, he'd kill it. Please don't overlook how impactful it would be to the littluns that Jack left open the possibility of a beast (the IF).

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goooood point elizabeth i definitely think the "fear" of the beast or impending doom/loss of humanity is a major plot point

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So when people started fighting the fear took over?

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R u kidding me

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Tambien, Ava.

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Yes lillian, Ralph tries to be democratic, jack is more of a dictator

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I like how Elizabeth questioned who the beast really is

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Everyone should contribute, especially if they have good questions like Daniel that could really spark a good discussion!

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the beast is not physical but mental and relates to the conflict within the whole group of boys

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I agree with Elizabeth. I think that the fear of the littluns is driving them to create the beastie to cope with the fear

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I agree tillie,  I think jack is only respected because they are scared of him

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I like how elizabeth went in depth about the meaning of the beast

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The littluns recognize that there is danger and sense the magnitude of the situation, but don't fully understand, and therefore create the idea of the beast.

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I really like that Elizabeth noticed that Golding is intentionally vague about what the beast is or looks like.

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Betcha Daniel has some good questions. Wish someone would ask him.

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I like the respectful disagreement within the group, but I wish some people wouldn't overpower the group.

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There is a lot of symbolism and "juice" in this chapter that I feel like is being overlooked

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Outside circle: please revisit the idea of Simon's 'maybe the beast's just us' comment...p. 89.

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Lots of plot.

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I agree Elizabeth. They should really break down questions more.

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yes I feel like thy are just talking about general relationships that we have already covered rather that specifics of the chapter

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I agree with elizabeth and tillie, i feel like they should talk about each question more rather than go from question to question

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Lillian-Otherwise, this discussion is stuck in review of plot, right? It' s important to ask 'why?'

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I literally was just about to say that lol

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I wish they would go into something deeper rather that bouncing from question to question

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Tambien, Lillian.

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I wish they would focus in a little more specific things. I feel like these ideas are general and not as focused as they could be.

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I like how everyone is bringing up how they no longer respect Ralph as much as they did, but I wish they would share their thoughts on why they're losing respect

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I liked liams connection between the conch and the characters

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Careful reading by Liam, right? He noticed the deterioration of conch and equated it with the little island society.

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Jake, try to avoid predictions.

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Ben- nice job tracing character development. Does this make him a dynamic (rather than static) character?

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I like how Liam talks about the setting and time and how it foreshadows or symbolizes what is coming

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I think that the boys will break up into factions based on whats happening now

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I SOOO appreciated the way Ariana refocused the discussion.

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I agree with lillian i think they should elaborate on their thinking

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I love how Ariana brought up the blame the older boys put on the littluns.

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I agree with Ariana saying that things are slowly breaking apart for them.

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I like how ava took a general observation and started to talk about something more specific

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I agree with tillie because they continually talk about the creepers; they shouldn't still be scared of them.