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I like arianna's answer more, it makes more sense

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They're probably all going to die anyway

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That may have sounded like a prediction but I get the sense while looking back on this part of the book that maybe this could foreshadow something and actually show us more than what it actually seems like.

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Can you tell, based on the text evidence, that we have not yet hit the climax? That we are still in rising action?

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Even if the boys somehow escaped the island, they would still be surrounded by chaos because of the war going on

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Maybe the kids being on the island protects them from the reality of war

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The author could be trying to say that the war is everywhere and in everything

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we are talking ab the fighting in the sky

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there are no tracks; its a beast from the air

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I agree with Arianna. The whole time while the kids talk about how they need grown ups, but the grown ups are killing each other.

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They are kids so their mind doesnt always choose the logical answer, in this case looking for footprints

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The dead guy could mean something as well. Like it could foreshadow someones fate and that if the boys keep fighting then they could end up just like him.

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Their fear of the beast protects them from a harsher reality

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Why are the leaves

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Yeah, but they'd find the body.

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It shows that there are two sides Allies and Axis or Jack and Ralph

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it relates because they boys are originally leaving england to get away from war but get put on an island of where they are fighting each other the author could be reminding you that the real war isn't on the island but i back home

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the fighting in the sky relates to the island because the boys have started to fight with each other about their survival which is like the fighting in the sky

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Liam- There would still be evidence of it moving through the trees

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How does the fighting in the sky on page 95 symbolically relate to whats going on on the island?

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Nice parallel, Liam. Golding very much wants you thinking of the wars on and off the island.

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I think their fear protects them from a harsher reality

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Simon is also suspicious about the monster

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That's fair, but I still think it was a stupid thing to do. Aren't they hunters? Should they be able to hunt?

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It is a mythical creature it doesn't make footprints move on

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Could this foreshadow something, mean something more?

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They could just track it from its footprints.

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They think it swings from the trees and thats why it leaves no footprints

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I think the fighting in the sky could possibly represent the caos with a ugly result that might happen to the boys if they dont get along.

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I don't think the boys are thinking clearly enough to think about tracks and things

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sorry

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i agree with tillie because they see something that's slightly frightening and they automatically think its the beast

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Yes, that's true, but its tracks would still be there.

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Well the beast is not real so they obviously wouldn't find footprints

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True Liam

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Lillian, samneric told everyone the beast chased them, so it couldve been anywhere

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samneric could have also thought they would look weak if they ran away from a parachute man and could've been completely aware that is was a body, but said it was a beast to not look weak

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Liam, it shows that the whole world during the war was like the island.

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I don't think they could track the "beast" because Ralph says its not a hunter's job; he says that they cant track it because it flies; its a beast from the ari

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Wait if there was a plane near the island there could be land nearby

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Or he just wanted us to actually know it wasn't a beast and to see what samneric's thoughts on ithe parachuter were. Also wouldn't it be dramatic irony?

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also its dark

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He probably went into so much detail so we could get a good mental picture and imagine what it actually looked like

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Yes I agree I think the dark description of the body is very contrasting to the boys perseption of the island

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They are confused at a lifeless figure moving in the wind

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yea I know but if the children havent seen it then why did golding tell the reader

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I think it was so descript so we could think about what we might think it was

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Jumping to a prediction question Ben

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I just want to know others thoughts

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That is probably very traumatizing.

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I dont think any of the boys have seen a dead body

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I think the author told the reader about the body before the boys said it was the "beast because it is a coping mechanism they're trying to focus their fear onto somthing on the island instead of getting off the island

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i think to make sure we know there is no real beast

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Boi

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kinda gets boring tho

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Facts

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i thought that the boys agreed that the beast swung through the trees and thats why they couldnt hunt it properly

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I was wondering why golding chose to let the reader know about the parachute guy before the children knew what it really was. Was it to expand on the thought of the children using stories to cope? The description is on page 95

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I think that golding let the reader know about the parachutist first because he wanted us to see and evaluate how the different characters would respond

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also in the movie castaway there was a scene that he heard the coconuts dropping and thought it was a monster

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@Daniel i'm not sure

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WILSON

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The adults are fighting with each other in the sky. and the kids on the island are also fighting with each other on the island. The boys rely on adults and they keep saying that if adults were there then they wouldn't fight and would be okay but in reality the adults are fighting a war

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I think golding chose to let the reader know that it was actually a parachuter and not an actual monster to show us that the most of the kids think that there's a monster on the island but don't use reason or observation so see if its actually a real monster or not

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yes arianna

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Yes new question please

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its too spooky for samneric

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I feel left out i never saw that movie

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You're all too kind

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I have a question but i dont know if we are done with this

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jake can you expand on what you said, i dont really understand

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Yea I agree with jake

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yeah i agree jake

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Do you think we should move on to another question?

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I think the fighting in the sky relates to the fighting happening among the boys. It´s kind of showing that a disagreement can result in a greater conflict.

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I think the fighting in the sky relates to the fighting happening among the boys. It´s kind of showing that a disagreement can result in a greater conflict.

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i agree with jake

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I like jakes answer

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That might just mean more about the human nature of following other rather than Hitler youth

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very trivial

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I don't know if this is really related to the question, but I wondered why they didn't instantly go back to where Sam and Eric were. Did they not really want to find the beast? It would have been the easiest way to track it and follow its path. Plus, if they did do that they could figure out if there really was a beast.

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Like have any of you ever seen the movie Castaway with Tom Hanks? He makes a volleyball into a person and that is the whole reason why he lived so they could be using the beast as a way to cope together and work together on the beast

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Why do the twins(samneric) call Ralph's actions "waxy"

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Lillian earlier you asked when they fell asleep together, on page 96, one of them was supposed to be on watch but they felt like they had to be doing the same thing

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yea @Grace exactly that's what i mean they created the "beast" in their heads as a way to cope with fear

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Thats a great movie

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I dont think it would make sense for them to be at all related to hitlers youth because weren't all of the children on the plane in the first place to escape the war and hitler?

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It evinces the mounting hysteria around the beast, right? PS- When the reader knows something the characters don't it's called Dramatic Irony.

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I agree with Reece. They're aren't many true friends on the island and the only ones that stick together are Sam and Eric. If he wanted to symbolize people being brought together he wouldn't have chosen brothers and twins.

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I don't understand the hitler youth thing either

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I found that an oddly specific analogy

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Im just relating it to something golding might have known in his lifetime

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i agree with anna, i think that ralph need to look at sam and erics relationship and try to mirror their relationship

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If the author didn't, he might not have had an opportunity to explain exactly where it came from.

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Hitler youth wasn't very important part of WWII and it seems like a stretch

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Yes Ava I agree and this is sort of how I feel on it but I think that sometimes everything is just in their heads and there isn't even a beast at all and they're having illusions.

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When?