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Roman Catholic Question: What does it look like to put something else in the same level as Scriptures? like the RC did?

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Roman Catholic: From the 2WTL diagram, which boxes would they reject?
you mentioned box 4,5 but wont they have problem with all?

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Roman Catholic Question: Why are the RC still divided with Protestants today? Why cant we just combine with RC today?

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https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Ekk7ZZkES3Qq_mck7i7piMUFXqpK550K/edit?usp=sharing&ouid=102801274701706269081&rtpof=true&sd=true

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Roman Catholic Question: What does a CF centered on Scripture as ultimate authority look like then? And vice versa?

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Let's get to know each other better! ✨

Feel free to write anything and add a picture of yourself or something to represent yourself :D

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Yo! Vania here haha
I love food, oversized clothes, and the color black HAHAH

I joined this session because I personally struggle with explaining the gospel to people >< especially with things like understanding who they are, what is THEIR understanding, etc

Hoping to learn lots such that I can faithfully tell them God's gospel! TT_TT

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helo :) im marthina. I like drinking water and eating seaweed, my friends call me a fish. some people say im too young and too dumb- they are correct. but it's okay! °˖✧◝(⁰▿⁰)◜✧˖°

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herro everyone im jian sen :3

come stalk me on IG @jiansenchan

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Hey guys! Priscilla here and I love to go family mart to get matcha ice cream and have conversations with people (miss the old timesss and looking forward to see y'all in real life!)

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HI :D
My name is Chin c:
Been doing Engineering for almost a year now and something I'm really into right now is programming and probably eating sweets hehe :D

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Hi Daniel here and my fav sport now is badminton

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https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12Wxr7zGt-bcWrM6n6RVEjH6xx7ObuESz?usp=sharing

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Hey guys I'm Ivan. Hope to see y'all soon irl hahaha

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Hi Im ming rong. I'm from xiamen university malaysia so you might not see around much after this .

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Hello, my name is Calypso Zachary, and I love to draw, take pictures, and journal. I also love going on nature walks when the weather is nice. :)

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it was a good reminder to know the why of evangelism - that it is meant to be God centred and not for ourselves. honestly i have to admit that i do ministry out of evil reasons, such as just wanting to feel good or pious..

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How the gospel is God's and not "Our" gospel. A lot of times we treat it as ours so we don't really wanna share it? The assurance in matt 18:20 really shows us that the sharing itself is a work of God

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It's interesting to see that God feels genuine distress and hurt when we do not invite others into the Gospel. He wants us to share his good news out of obedience, not for selfish intentions.

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It was quite eye-opening to first understand that evangelism is essentially about GOD and FOR God, and out of a concern for HIS glory. I think this would really get us to not be as scared of being rejected by people (but actually more like fear God as well haha in evangelism). Grateful for the session, and hoping not to just listen from it but actually DO it.

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Hello, I'm Sing Tong and I'm generally a pretty chill person in life. But I'm passionate for my food, books (especially my Bible!) and amusement park rides :)

I'm joining Masterclass to be clearer on the Biblical Gospel so I can preach the truth to others confidently ^6^

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The WHY for Evangelism really reminds me the importance of having the God-centredness in evangelising.

It is the Gospel of God, that’s why we cannot compromise on the message and need to stand firm on the nature of the gospel itself, one that will be offensive towards sinners as we present what is sin and how big and Holy God is to them.

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HEYO. MY NAME IS MARCUS AND I LIKE FOOD. And I like my guitar, and I like my Bible :D

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hiiiiii my name is Mellisa! it's double L and single S! I like embroideries and playing violin ^^

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people I want to evangelise:
my parents, 3 of my high school classmates

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yo hello I'm YC, I like Netflix and napping, and I'm somewhat of a weeb as well. Hit me up for a chat, can follow on @yu_cheng(YC) for it, I don't bite :D
I'm looking forward to this Masterclass to further master my evangelistic skill! I want to be able to talk about the gospel naturally and spontaneously!

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Helo.. I'm Christiee.. Err I like to sing and play piano, and I started since I was 4~
I miss Monash physical campus lifeeee
And I hope that everyone can get to learn how to preach the gospel faithfully after Masterclass XD

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I like how we start with the why before going into what the Gospel is. A lot of the times we truncate and "personalise" our Gospel and motivation, but our drive to evangelise really comes from God instead.

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Links are heree: https://linktr.ee/monashcf :D

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Hellooo, full name is Jonathan. Love to play badminton, hopefully when things start to resume normally I get to drive out and chill more often without much worry of the covid19

I hope we get to reach out to some people after Masterclass because there is more people who needs to hear the gospel

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Read this document if you wanna find out more about responding to Evolution!

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What if.... read this document about Murder 😮

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Box 1 and Box 2, i learnt that the gospel preached without clarifying what sin is will really truncate the gospel. I reflected how I am often someone who prefers to preach a non-offensive gospel, just wanting to be nice and hope they have a better receiving response. But the irony when I am being nice is that I am not being truthful and I distort the very gospel message that gave me salvation

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i learnt that it is pretty easy for us to assume that the cross is just to take away our punishment like a get out of jail free card but then from this session it seems like the cross is more than that, it is actually there to bring us back to the Rev 4:11 state of us living under God's rule and being reconciled with him.

Knowing this, it helps me to see that salvation isn't about avoiding hell, but rather an entire life of worship where we can be truly human o.o

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I see how it is in fact quite possible to not understand Jesus is by having a simplistic, reductionistic understanding of God and sin (Box 1 and Box 2). It got me to really think about the method and manner as well which Kae Sheng the trainer brought up: A wrong manner and method (ex: reducing the force, the tone to make it sound nicer) can actually paint a different gospel, a different Jesus.. I am someone very liable for this actually.. because I am quite a people-pleaser. I see, however, that the gospel is first and foremost FOR God (God-centered) and if I were to ever compromise, it would mean I am more men-centered than God-centered.

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I see the impossibility of presenting Box 3: Jugdement and Box 4: Atonement rightly without the thorough understanding of Box 1 and 2. It would end up downplaying what judgement is and the significance of Jesus death.

The Moral Influence Atonement theory is really tricky for us to sniff out. Because from the outside, the person tho holding to a false view of the gospel would look like a Christian who is passionate about God. But the motivation is very self-centred with a wrong perception of who God. Is. This further gets me to see the importance of understanding the full extent of what the message of 2wtl is.

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My naturally thinking always has a glitch in explaining and justifying the judgment of God, thus I have difficulties talking about it, but today's a reminder again that it's more than often my care for my own self-image that makes it hard for me to talk about it. Judgment of God is not arbitrary nor harsh, the judgment of God is righteous, nothing to be ashamed about this righteous God whom I am believing in.

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I learnt that the cross in the gospel is a part where you either get it wrong or get it right. And just like how I reflected the previous day the importance of getting Box 1 and Box 2 right, without the combination of these boxes there really is no way how we can get the gospel presentation right.

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Different worldviews that we covered as Box 1 alternatives!

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I always didn't take much notice on the Creation account in the Bible, as Kae Sheng went through the detailed explanations of Box 1, I have more understanding of how establishing God as Creator and Lord is the basis over all the other elements of the other boxes. Understand God, understand myself, and sin, judgment, atonement, resurrection, all made more sense!

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Our upcoming eventt XD https://bit.ly/MCF_What_are_cults Recovering orthodoxy and telling the difference between true and false cults!

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How do you know this is TRUTH? ... Read this for Apologetics, Canon of Scriptures, Revelation

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Bonus Appendix - Apolegetics, Scripture Reliability and Canonicity

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Jesus is 100% God, 100% Man, look at how your older church forefathers (seniors) stood up for Jesus' biblical identity from history

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Box 4 Appendix - Truly God, Truly Man_ The Council of Chalcedon by Nicholas Needham

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Judgment --> I think we usually think of the word judgment as negative or unfair to be enacted for God. Yet we see today that judgment is actually a function of the character of God as the loving ruler who cares about righteousness and justice.. It's good that he judges and we should not be ashamed of it..

Resurrection --> I never see it as pivotal, especially compared to 'the cross'. Today was quite a rebuke to me because the bible shows how in fact, for the apostles, God's POV, the resurrection is crucial in showing the life that we are to live for (Romans hahaha) -- a life to God

I hope that I will not take the Word in vain or harden my heart, and that I will live this life to Christ, submit to Him as my ruler (Box 6 ><)

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Possible different responses from people

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With Box 5 and Box 6, I see that in the end, the most important thing is to be faithful to the Lord. It isn't just about getting the contents right, but preaching the gospel faithfully.

I often hesitate to push hard on Box 2 and Box 3, and also calling for a response by the end, would prefer to give in and allow them to go and think about it without being insistence with how knowing this ought to either contradict or shape reality.

This is a reflection for myself who struggles to allow God's Word to shape my identity to be someone willing to only find all of life in God. Rather I often live a life who lives trying to please both God and myself. So it manifests in me trying to find strength and validation from my achievements rather than allowing God's truth to shed light on how in many ways I still live a Box 2 life.

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About evangelism ks, if we are evangelising someone who thinks of jesus as some loving guy who got rid of their sins (and thats it), is it wise to just focus on 123? or not....

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About evangelism ks, if we are evangelising someone who thinks of jesus as some loving guy who got rid of their sins (and thats it), is it wise to just focus on 123? or not....

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from KS:
- Your concern is actually valid. If they really have the wrong understanding of, gospel, then maybe it IS right for you to emphasize in 123. But don't just be reactive la.. If your friend is like that, doesn't mean that you only preach 123 only right

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God's glory is seen in creation as said 'in the things that have been made'

If God is a loving ruler, why did God only die for humans?
why didn't he die for everything? for the creatures, for humans, for the devils and for lucifer

wouldn't it be less loving of God to only die for humans? as he would only be restoring one part of his creation rather than the whole as a loving ruler

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If we say that God raised Jesus to be the Ruler of this world in box 5 and Jesus is Lord in box 5 then does it mean he was not Lord in box 4??

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What does it say if I'm like.. scared of evangelizing? :( I feel like I'm not ready..