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Since the creature's figurative role is to mirror and reflect society, don't his actions also mirror society? This would make society to blame right?

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Since the creature's figurative role is to mirror and reflect society, don't his actions also mirror society? This would make society to blame right?

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Maddy Mehren

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Could the creature's treatment by Victor entirely be his fault? Victor has backed him into a corner by the thought of living and perishing alone. Couldn't that justify his vengance?

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Could the creature's treatment by Victor entirely be his fault? Victor has backed him into a corner by the thought of living and perishing alone. Couldn't that justify his vengance?

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Matthew Cantrell

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If the creature was brought up better, would that have affected the way he behaves? Since he had childlike qualities of absorbing the information around him

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If the creature was brought up better, would that have affected the way he behaves? Since he had childlike qualities of absorbing the information around him

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Bella Lordge

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The Creature does have emotions and feelings like "normal" beings. For example, when Felix darted at him and started to violently hit him, the Creature felt not to strike back, "But my heart sunk within me as bitter sickness, and I refrained" (Ch. 14/15).

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The Creature does have emotions and feelings like "normal" beings. For example, when Felix darted at him and started to violently hit him, the Creature felt not to strike back, "But my heart sunk within me as bitter sickness, and I refrained" (Ch. 14/15).

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Cisely Muro

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The Creature was told it was a monster, treated as a monster, and acted like a monster. Does this not mean the Creature is a monster?

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The Creature was told it was a monster, treated as a monster, and acted like a monster. Does this not mean the Creature is a monster?

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Luke Vorndran

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At some point doesn't the creature talk about how his actions were due to a "hell within [him]" meaning that his actions were entirely his own fault?

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At some point doesn't the creature talk about how his actions were due to a "hell within [him]" meaning that his actions were entirely his own fault?

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Thenushaa Kandiah

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The Creature isn't an irredeemable monster. He has shown compassion, such as when he saved the girl from falling in the stream and when he stopped stealing when he found out that it harmed the cottagers.

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The Creature isn't an irredeemable monster. He has shown compassion, such as when he saved the girl from falling in the stream and when he stopped stealing when he found out that it harmed the cottagers.

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Kristan Pablico

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Children act based on what they observe, and the creature being childlike, supports the idea that he is innocent, just mimicking what he sees in the world around him.

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Children act based on what they observe, and the creature being childlike, supports the idea that he is innocent, just mimicking what he sees in the world around him.

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Maddy Mehren

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Since Frankenstein abandoned the creature, wouldn't that mean the creature developed his own morals and standards he used to kill William and Frame Justine?

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Since Frankenstein abandoned the creature, wouldn't that mean the creature developed his own morals and standards he used to kill William and Frame Justine?

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Joey Lombardo

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Victor should take responsibility for whatever the creature does as it is his creation

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Victor should take responsibility for whatever the creature does as it is his creation

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Justin L

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victor abandoned his creation and blamed him for all the awful things in his life. he blames him but it's his fault. victor was neglectful, short sided, and destructive

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victor abandoned his creation and blamed him for all the awful things in his life. he blames him but it's his fault. victor was neglectful, short sided, and destructive

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alexis cook

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The creature did give Victor a choice and tries to rectify his creator's behavior through reason. "All men hate the wretched. How, then, must I be hated, who am miserable beyond all living things! Yet you, my creator, detest and spurn me, thy creature, to whom thou art bound by ties only dissoluble by the annihilation of one of us. You purpose to kill me. How dare you sport thus with life? Do your duty toward me, and I will do mine toward you and the rest of mankind. If you will comply with my conditions, I will leave them and you at peace" Ch. 10

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The creature did give Victor a choice and tries to rectify his creator's behavior through reason. "All men hate the wretched. How, then, must I be hated, who am miserable beyond all living things! Yet you, my creator, detest and spurn me, thy creature, to whom thou art bound by ties only dissoluble by the annihilation of one of us. You purpose to kill me. How dare you sport thus with life? Do your duty toward me, and I will do mine toward you and the rest of mankind. If you will comply with my conditions, I will leave them and you at peace" Ch. 10

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Matthew Cantrell

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The creatures ability to kill William is influenced not only by his poor creator but the fact that Victor has given no importance to the creatures life therefore the creature must not see the deep importance in Williams. He sees the treatment given unto him and reciprocates.

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The creatures ability to kill William is influenced not only by his poor creator but the fact that Victor has given no importance to the creatures life therefore the creature must not see the deep importance in Williams. He sees the treatment given unto him and reciprocates.

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Bella Lordge

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About Victor and the Creature: If a parent raises a child badly and the child ends up committing bad deeds, is the child's behavior the fault of the parent or the child?

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About Victor and the Creature: If a parent raises a child badly and the child ends up committing bad deeds, is the child's behavior the fault of the parent or the child?

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Kristan Pablico

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Victor was only following his thought destiny, so he had no intention of causing destruction. His actions only created life, not the actions of the creature. (page 29/30).

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Victor was only following his thought destiny, so he had no intention of causing destruction. His actions only created life, not the actions of the creature. (page 29/30).

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Maddy Mehren

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victor created this creature with intentions to "conquer death", and soon after he quite literally creates a "demon" that he shuns at the sight of his own creation. he manipulates nature to his liking and right after destroys his achievements.he is self destructive.

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victor created this creature with intentions to "conquer death", and soon after he quite literally creates a "demon" that he shuns at the sight of his own creation. he manipulates nature to his liking and right after destroys his achievements.he is self destructive.

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alexis cook

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Seen in the 'Fall' of mankind in Genesis, things are created with the ideas of good and evil; therefore, the creature's decision to act with his inherent evil morals makes him to blame.

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Seen in the 'Fall' of mankind in Genesis, things are created with the ideas of good and evil; therefore, the creature's decision to act with his inherent evil morals makes him to blame.

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Joey Lombardo

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If Victor never made the Creature, would Victor have changed entirely as a person? The Creature did kill William which then led to Justine's death, if none of these happened, Victor would still be his sad, miserable self and not own up to his mistakes/the Creature's choices towards society.  

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If Victor never made the Creature, would Victor have changed entirely as a person? The Creature did kill William which then led to Justine's death, if none of these happened, Victor would still be his sad, miserable self and not own up to his mistakes/the Creature's choices towards society.  

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Cisely Muro

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@bella i agree, but wasn't the murder of William spurred by revenge, rather than his upbringing?

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@bella i agree, but wasn't the murder of William spurred by revenge, rather than his upbringing?

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Thenushaa Kandiah

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Victor states "[He], not in deed, but in effect, was the true murderer." (Ch 9)

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Victor states "[He], not in deed, but in effect, was the true murderer." (Ch 9)

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Dominic Hernandez

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Society could be at fault for William's death. William rejects the Creature because he is afraid and revolted by his appearance. Judging someone by their appearance is something often taught by society.

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Society could be at fault for William's death. William rejects the Creature because he is afraid and revolted by his appearance. Judging someone by their appearance is something often taught by society.

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Kristan Pablico

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@thenushaa definetely, however his upbringing has taught him that life is unimportant and something to be manipulated and spurned so his actions do reflect the way he has been brought up 

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@thenushaa definetely, however his upbringing has taught him that life is unimportant and something to be manipulated and spurned so his actions do reflect the way he has been brought up 

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Bella Lordge

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Victor created the creature, that didn't mean Victor would know from the start the Creature would kill William out of rage.

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Victor created the creature, that didn't mean Victor would know from the start the Creature would kill William out of rage.

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Luke Vorndran

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Still. You can only blame Victor for the crimes of the creature so much. When the monster was given life, free will came along with it.  - Antonio Yambot

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Still. You can only blame Victor for the crimes of the creature so much. When the monster was given life, free will came along with it.  - Antonio Yambot

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During Justine's trial, the people almost convinced her that she actually killed William even tho she hadn't. So when Victor first created the creature, he described him as if it were a monster. Could this have influenced the monster's upbringing.

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During Justine's trial, the people almost convinced her that she actually killed William even tho she hadn't. So when Victor first created the creature, he described him as if it were a monster. Could this have influenced the monster's upbringing.

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Justin L

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innocent until proven guilty? victor is entirely guilty in every way, he abandoned his creation and blamed him for his own denied faults.

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innocent until proven guilty? victor is entirely guilty in every way, he abandoned his creation and blamed him for his own denied faults.

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alexis cook

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In the novel, the creature had a parent figure, the cottagers, and the fact that the cottagers abandoned him is more of a catalyst and devastating to him than Frankenstein's abandonment; therefore, Frankenstein's abandonment is not important to the cause of the deaths.

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In the novel, the creature had a parent figure, the cottagers, and the fact that the cottagers abandoned him is more of a catalyst and devastating to him than Frankenstein's abandonment; therefore, Frankenstein's abandonment is not important to the cause of the deaths.

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Joey Lombardo

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What Aaron said is false, Victor had a tremendous affect towards the Creature. If something traumatic happens to a child, sort of speak, that child will remember and become traumatized. Children will never remember words that have been said but will never forget the actions and experiences from a guardian/parent. The Creature started to create a revenge plan towards his creator, Victor due to his behavior towards the Creature being "born".   

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What Aaron said is false, Victor had a tremendous affect towards the Creature. If something traumatic happens to a child, sort of speak, that child will remember and become traumatized. Children will never remember words that have been said but will never forget the actions and experiences from a guardian/parent. The Creature started to create a revenge plan towards his creator, Victor due to his behavior towards the Creature being "born".   

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Cisey Muro

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Why does the creature feel "it might be in [his] power to restore happiness to these deserving people," when he realizes Felix's and Agatha's sadness?

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Why does the creature feel "it might be in [his] power to restore happiness to these deserving people," when he realizes Felix's and Agatha's sadness?

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Dominic Hernandez

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Victor left the Creature alone in his apartment, as an owner would leave a dog or pet. Victor himself was surprised to see the Creature had escaped. Victor 100% is responsible for the destruction the creature has brought upon this world.

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Victor left the Creature alone in his apartment, as an owner would leave a dog or pet. Victor himself was surprised to see the Creature had escaped. Victor 100% is responsible for the destruction the creature has brought upon this world.

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Luke Vorndran

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There are people who have murdered others.  Compared to that, Victor's crime is very small in the literal sense ( not religious). What separates Victor from those murderers who don't appear to be as punished as he is -Antonio Yambot

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There are people who have murdered others.  Compared to that, Victor's crime is very small in the literal sense ( not religious). What separates Victor from those murderers who don't appear to be as punished as he is -Antonio Yambot

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The Delaceys betrayal may have influenced the monster's corruption as they were kind of his parental figures.

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The Delaceys betrayal may have influenced the monster's corruption as they were kind of his parental figures.

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Justin L

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innocent means free from guilt or evil, but almost the entire book is victor moping and feeling guilty and yet, doing nothing about it as he blames the creature.

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innocent means free from guilt or evil, but almost the entire book is victor moping and feeling guilty and yet, doing nothing about it as he blames the creature.

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alexis cook

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Frankenstein did "abandon" the Creature but no one taught the creature to kill another human.

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Frankenstein did "abandon" the Creature but no one taught the creature to kill another human.

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Luke Vorndran

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Although the creature did essentially kill William and Justine, Victor instilled vengeful feelings in the creature when he writes the creature is a "wretch" and "abhorred". This resulted in the creature killing William and Justine in revenge.

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Although the creature did essentially kill William and Justine, Victor instilled vengeful feelings in the creature when he writes the creature is a "wretch" and "abhorred". This resulted in the creature killing William and Justine in revenge.

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Carly Snell

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The creature was completely innocent upon creation. How would he have learned these violent tendencies?

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The creature was completely innocent upon creation. How would he have learned these violent tendencies?

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Alexis Lund

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Cole Evans
If Victor was with him from the start, and actually cared about him, aught him what is right or wrong, would the murder ever happen?

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Although defense is the natural first instinct, it doesn't mean it must be fully acted on. In chapter 15, the creature could have attacked Felix, but he "refrained." Since the creature learned most, if not all, of his knowledge from Felix and his family, you would think Felix could have refrained, just as the creature did. 

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Although defense is the natural first instinct, it doesn't mean it must be fully acted on. In chapter 15, the creature could have attacked Felix, but he "refrained." Since the creature learned most, if not all, of his knowledge from Felix and his family, you would think Felix could have refrained, just as the creature did. 

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Cassis Roland

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did Victor create the creature out of curiosity and a yearn to apply his knowledge or did he actually know what he was getting into? if so, is he actually the one to blame or the creature was actually born to be a monster and will always be one? 

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did Victor create the creature out of curiosity and a yearn to apply his knowledge or did he actually know what he was getting into? if so, is he actually the one to blame or the creature was actually born to be a monster and will always be one? 

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CJ Martires

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maybe the creature's feelings of vengeance is society's fault as he says "thanks to the laws of man i had learned how to work mischief" (127). he learned how to be cruel from society's actions and is only mimicking what he saw

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maybe the creature's feelings of vengeance is society's fault as he says "thanks to the laws of man i had learned how to work mischief" (127). he learned how to be cruel from society's actions and is only mimicking what he saw

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bethany oh

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murder isn't the way to deal with these things though

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murder isn't the way to deal with these things though

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jasmine

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These "survival instincts" are reinforced by the necessity to defend himself against the prejudices of society. 

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These "survival instincts" are reinforced by the necessity to defend himself against the prejudices of society. 

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Alexis Lund

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So if a little kid is constantly told that they are worthless and no one cares about that, does that mean that they will turn out to be killers?

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So if a little kid is constantly told that they are worthless and no one cares about that, does that mean that they will turn out to be killers?

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Billy Krantz

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If most people today get blamed for their own actions, why does the creature not take full blame for the decisions he's made and the actions he's committed?

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If most people today get blamed for their own actions, why does the creature not take full blame for the decisions he's made and the actions he's committed?

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Aaron Garcia

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The creature has to learn violence from something.. and because Victor has abandoned him; society is the creatures only resource. 

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The creature has to learn violence from something.. and because Victor has abandoned him; society is the creatures only resource. 

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Haley Wittick

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If you were to argue that Victor isn't to blame because people aren't judged by their appearance in the present day,  couldn't you also argue that in this gothic time period, people were entirely judged by appearance and the creature's horrid figure subsequently cuts him off from companionship, causing Victor to be at blame?

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If you were to argue that Victor isn't to blame because people aren't judged by their appearance in the present day,  couldn't you also argue that in this gothic time period, people were entirely judged by appearance and the creature's horrid figure subsequently cuts him off from companionship, causing Victor to be at blame?

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Carly Snell

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Cole Evans
The creature has his own mind, his own will.

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if you said he has no control over his emotions, how could he control his actions?

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if you said he has no control over his emotions, how could he control his actions?

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bethany oh

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Can the Creature really be called a child if he was created with a full grown adult brain? 

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Can the Creature really be called a child if he was created with a full grown adult brain? 

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Spencer Seltzer

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if you saw a huge creature like that you would run away to, it's human instinct that we have, fight or flight, they are just protecting themselves and what they love

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if you saw a huge creature like that you would run away to, it's human instinct that we have, fight or flight, they are just protecting themselves and what they love

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jasmine caruthers

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Just because you are called names or people make fun of you, that gives you no right to lash out and kill others in order to get revenge on someone

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Just because you are called names or people make fun of you, that gives you no right to lash out and kill others in order to get revenge on someone

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Billy Krantz

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Creed enjoys malicious deeds, they fill him with a "hellish triumph" (127) and was never taught to enjoy evil.

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Creed enjoys malicious deeds, they fill him with a "hellish triumph" (127) and was never taught to enjoy evil.

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Aaron Garcia

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can you blame william for reacting that way to the creature though? the creature violently "seized" him and his appearance only added to that feeling of fear.

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can you blame william for reacting that way to the creature though? the creature violently "seized" him and his appearance only added to that feeling of fear.

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bethany oh

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Cole Evans
If the creature is this smart, he should be smart enough to see what is right or wrong in society

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He learned all of his knowledge from society, along with his morals. The De Lacey's shed light on specific books such as Paradise Lost and Sorrows of Werter, which taught him things such as violence. So why would society not be to blame from the creature's outbursts when society has been surrounding him and teaching him immoral values his whole short life?

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He learned all of his knowledge from society, along with his morals. The De Lacey's shed light on specific books such as Paradise Lost and Sorrows of Werter, which taught him things such as violence. So why would society not be to blame from the creature's outbursts when society has been surrounding him and teaching him immoral values his whole short life?

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Cassis Roland

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The creature initially despises killing even after being influenced by Felix reading a historical novel to Safie. He states that "when I heard details of vice and bloodshed, my wonder ceased, and I turned away with disgust and loathing". How could the creature be badly influenced by society if he feels this way?

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The creature initially despises killing even after being influenced by Felix reading a historical novel to Safie. He states that "when I heard details of vice and bloodshed, my wonder ceased, and I turned away with disgust and loathing". How could the creature be badly influenced by society if he feels this way?

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Carly Snell

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the creature is referred to as "the monster/creature" for a reason. he was born to be a monster and will always possess those monster qualities no matter what influence- society or victor- he was created to possess these qualities for a reason and will always be the one to blame for. 

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the creature is referred to as "the monster/creature" for a reason. he was born to be a monster and will always possess those monster qualities no matter what influence- society or victor- he was created to possess these qualities for a reason and will always be the one to blame for. 

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CJ Martires

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"No father had watched my infant days, no mother had blessed me with smiles of caresses". No matter the creatures level of brain development, he will forever be deprived of these vital childhood elements. Although he was not the typical child, the developmental stage of a "child's" life is when they are most impacted by their surroundings and he will never have this experience. Only Victor, as his "creator" could have supplied him with this developmental element.

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"No father had watched my infant days, no mother had blessed me with smiles of caresses". No matter the creatures level of brain development, he will forever be deprived of these vital childhood elements. Although he was not the typical child, the developmental stage of a "child's" life is when they are most impacted by their surroundings and he will never have this experience. Only Victor, as his "creator" could have supplied him with this developmental element.

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Alexis Lund

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it isnt a normal parent-child relationship

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it isnt a normal parent-child relationship

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jasmine

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When an atrocity is committed, people don't blame the society they live with or their parents. The blame always goes towards the murderer or the thief etc. 

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When an atrocity is committed, people don't blame the society they live with or their parents. The blame always goes towards the murderer or the thief etc. 

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Aaron Garcia

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Human instinct is differentiated from degrading the creature. 

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Human instinct is differentiated from degrading the creature. 

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Haley Wittick

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The creature isn't instinctively evil; his wickedness intensifies after being rejected from his creator. He feels abandoned when he learns "how the father doated on the smiles of the infant" and becomes enraged due to being abandoned by Victor.

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The creature isn't instinctively evil; his wickedness intensifies after being rejected from his creator. He feels abandoned when he learns "how the father doated on the smiles of the infant" and becomes enraged due to being abandoned by Victor.

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Carly Snell

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the creature knew what he was doing when he framed justine, 

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the creature knew what he was doing when he framed justine, 

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The creature is not a psychopath i guess

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The creature is not a psychopath i guess

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Being strangled is pretty painless though so it seems humane to me.

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Being strangled is pretty painless though so it seems humane to me.

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Spencer Seltzer

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connecting to Cassis's question, those books did teach him those qualities and got those ideas in his head about "Adam and Eve and Satan" the creature connects himself to both characters, and that he's confused on what he actually is. But, he was created to be a monster and will always be one 

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connecting to Cassis's question, those books did teach him those qualities and got those ideas in his head about "Adam and Eve and Satan" the creature connects himself to both characters, and that he's confused on what he actually is. But, he was created to be a monster and will always be one 

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the creature knew what he was doing when he framed justine, he said, "but she, shall suffer;the murder i have committed because i am forever robbed of all that she could give me."(103) he did it as payback to society without even knowing the girl and ruined a life

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the creature knew what he was doing when he framed justine, he said, "but she, shall suffer;the murder i have committed because i am forever robbed of all that she could give me."(103) he did it as payback to society without even knowing the girl and ruined a life

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jasmine

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Spencer, how is being strangled painless? Just wondering.

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Spencer, how is being strangled painless? Just wondering.

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Carly Snell

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Victor's abandonment resulted in the creature being forced to fend for himself. He didn't fulfill the "responsibilities as creator" to the creature until he had already killed William and Justine.

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Victor's abandonment resulted in the creature being forced to fend for himself. He didn't fulfill the "responsibilities as creator" to the creature until he had already killed William and Justine.

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Carly Snell

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the creature wants frankenstein dead too

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the creature wants frankenstein dead too

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jasmine

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he creature didnt see Victor for a couple of years so dont you think that would have been plenty of time for the creature to cool off and find a life instead of continuing to try to hurt Victor by hurting the ones Victor loves

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he creature didnt see Victor for a couple of years so dont you think that would have been plenty of time for the creature to cool off and find a life instead of continuing to try to hurt Victor by hurting the ones Victor loves

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Billy

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If you're being strangled hard enough oxygen flow to your brain is cut out so quickly that you just pass out and die.

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If you're being strangled hard enough oxygen flow to your brain is cut out so quickly that you just pass out and die.

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Spencer Seltzer

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Even though Victor created the creature, it was society that raised him. Even in today's society, if an orphan birthed by immoral parents is raised by moral guardians, the child would be moral because that's what he's been taught. This gives society the blame because they have taught the creature immorality.

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Even though Victor created the creature, it was society that raised him. Even in today's society, if an orphan birthed by immoral parents is raised by moral guardians, the child would be moral because that's what he's been taught. This gives society the blame because they have taught the creature immorality.

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Cassis Roland

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It causes hypoxia, creating a false feeling of euphoria, is what Spencer is trying to say

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It causes hypoxia, creating a false feeling of euphoria, is what Spencer is trying to say

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Benjamin Kim

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I'd say being strangled is a pretty traumatic experience though. Also, why is killing a small child okay in general?

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I'd say being strangled is a pretty traumatic experience though. Also, why is killing a small child okay in general?

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Carly Snell

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Although I haven't been strangled to death, I can only suppose it's not a fun experience. 

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Although I haven't been strangled to death, I can only suppose it's not a fun experience. 

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Carly Snell

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Have you ever been strangled?  Need personal experience.

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Have you ever been strangled?  Need personal experience.

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Meghan Townsley

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You can't experience trauma if you're dead though and I didn't say killing him was okay, just that strangling isn't overtly inhumane and torturous. 

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You can't experience trauma if you're dead though and I didn't say killing him was okay, just that strangling isn't overtly inhumane and torturous. 

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Spencer Seltzer

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but the creature and victor do not represent a typical "parent child relationship" they have no correlation to each other, just as victor is the one who created the creature, that's all they have in common 

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but the creature and victor do not represent a typical "parent child relationship" they have no correlation to each other, just as victor is the one who created the creature, that's all they have in common 

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CJ Martires

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it isnt a normal relationship, the creature has a fast developing mind, he should be able to realize right from wrong

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it isnt a normal relationship, the creature has a fast developing mind, he should be able to realize right from wrong

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jasmine

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Carly Snell

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The creature isnt a child, and Victor wasn't his parent. Victor was the creator of the monster  , not the same thing.

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The creature isnt a child, and Victor wasn't his parent. Victor was the creator of the monster  , not the same thing.

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Haley WIttick

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But is the creature truly considered a child if he is made up of human parts

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But is the creature truly considered a child if he is made up of human parts

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Meghan Townsley

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ok billy are you just gonna 'cool off' if society hates you and your parent abandoned you? i think not

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ok billy are you just gonna 'cool off' if society hates you and your parent abandoned you? i think not

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I wouldn't mind being strangled by the creature tbh

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I wouldn't mind being strangled by the creature tbh

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Benjamin Kim

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This is even more reason that society is to blame. Society became "the parents" in a way because the creature had no one else to turn to. The society became his main influence, and did not do a job.

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This is even more reason that society is to blame. Society became "the parents" in a way because the creature had no one else to turn to. The society became his main influence, and did not do a job.

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Cassis Roland

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Can someone give me the answers to the debate, I'm pretending to be sick haha

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Can someone give me the answers to the debate, I'm pretending to be sick haha

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Hridayesh Joshi

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How far back are you willing to take it? Should we blame Victor's parents for creating the circumstances that led to the creation of the creature?

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How far back are you willing to take it? Should we blame Victor's parents for creating the circumstances that led to the creation of the creature?