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I felt the primary reason Mark Twain chose to satirize the concept of slavery was to slip in opinions on a very controversial topic, with using a scape goat to avoid being under fire.

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I don't think Mark Twain had a side on the slavery issue. I think he was neutral about the issue but he was also very blunt about it and had an "it is what it is" attitude for the time that the novel was written.

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Chapter 18 in our APUSH book talks about Mark Twain @dara

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Kyana made a great point about how we thought racism and slavery was okay back then. This just explains that equality and morals/values change in a short period of time.

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Good question Ashley

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In response to Logan's comment about my comment about Logan's comment about my comment- The circumstances vary by which this is the best method for change. However, it is usually true that you have to maintain your own self before you can change others.

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Kaylin explained that racism was used in this novel, because of the time period.

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I response to logan's comment about my comment-- To what extent should you "match society" by changing yourself? The only problem with that is that you would have to go against your own beliefs. And it may not have been so much so in the time the novel takes place but, in a society in which you will never be perfect to all of society and one side will always be against you... How do you conform to "match society." Political views for example-- If you conform to very conservative views, the other side still has differing opinions... If you conform to very liberal views, the same thing happens. There is never any way to please everyone at once so how does one go about it?

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I like Dara's quote, "misery loves company".
In the novel, Huck's dad wants him to be just as miserable and dead-beat as he is.

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I agree that parents should want their children to be better than them.

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Kaylin's point about how pap did not want Huck do be better than him-----GOOD POINT!

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Most of your views and beliefs come from your parents and the people you are around. Subconsciously you start to act like them but your own individual personality can still break through to the surface.

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"sivilized"

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I enjoyed the fact that the class brought up the connection between parents and the way their kid comes up. Many children tend to follow their parents and household beliefs, and even look up to their parents as role models. That being said, the inevitable irony of Huck following in the footsteps of a man in which he hated and resented, truly highlights this concept of parents being a primary source of children's actions and beliefs.

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I wouldnt want to go to the widow either

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Hope's Lv2 question ask if Huck would be the same if his father was better. Huck's father keeps Huck down because he didn't go to school and is an alcoholic. Huck would be "sivilized" if his father was not a bum.

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In response to Alex's comment about irony- This isn't the only bit of irony in the book. When Huck visits town, he talks about bad luck with the woman he talks to. Yet he had good luck by finding out that the townsfolk were coming to the island at midnight. Because of this, he was able to escape with Jim on time. Irony plays a pivotal part of the plot and is a major element of the book.

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Huck's entire situation would be different. He may not have even been with the widow at all if his father was a different person. His entire life was defined by the fact that his father was an abusive drunk.

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I don't think that Huck would have left his house if his dad wasn't a dead-beat, because he would have had someone to interact with.

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In response to Hope's question: I do not think that Huck would have ran away if his Dad would not be how he is

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What Garrett said about Huck dressing up as a girl lol this really shows Huckelberry's innocence and how immature he is

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In response to Logan's comment about my comment- the best way to fix society is to fix your self first. Condition yourself to match the society you live in- even if it is wrong to you- until you are integrated into the society. Then, slowly work changes form the inside-out, until it is a better place.

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I like the connection made by Ashlin of Huck acting like his father, I found it ironic that Huck resented and hated many of his fathers actions, yet he "puts on his shoes" and walks in his fathers footsteps.

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I feel like many of the beliefs of religion are superstitious. Morals stem from this also. If a salt shaker tips over, you are believed to have bad luck. This is a consequence for an action. It is directly parallel to religion. The consequence for sin (an unmoral action) is hell.

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I think that Huck's innocence and ignorance has a lot to do with the fact that he is "not religious". He doesn't even know enough to know all the faces of religion to really understand it. Huck's innocence and ignorance has a lot to do with a lot of aspects in the novel.

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are morals prevalent in the novel?

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I think religious people are more superstitious.

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Connection between religion and superstitious thoughts!!! GREAT

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I agree with the comment in which Ashley brought up on the topic of hypocrisy. The protagonist so far has been a gleaming example of hypocrisy and doing not only things that are wrong, but also things in which he looked down upon in the past.

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The discussion is now on hipocracy. Huck steals but he wants to catch the boat robbers because they're not stealing for survival maybe. Huck is only a kid so he's still developing his morals

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@ashley for pointing out Huck is a hypocrite for stealing. I think Huck finally realized the struggle of needing things to survive and thats why he changed his opinion on stealing.

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My own comment from the outer circle: How big of a role does hipocracy play into the novel? Is it a representation of someone's behavior, relationships, attitude?

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Good of Ashley to bring up the theme of hipocracy throughout the novel because this, along with greed are VERY prevalent throughout the entire book up to this point.

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@hope for saying the superstitions was to bring out the culture in the south. I agree that this is his way to explain society.

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I agree with logan's comment about longing for society again but I also wonder if Huck does. He was already basically living off the land with his father for a while. The only difference now is that he no longer has his father around to abuse him. I also want to bring up the question: What if the problem was society. How do you fix that besides getting away. Maybe the best way to do so is to only leave for a while-to find yourself, but if that doesn't work then what else is there to do?

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I enjoyed the point in which Hope brought up with her lvl.1 question, of how does the feeling of being a runaway affect Huck's psychological build up and mind set. For instance, Huck actually felt bad for all the people who truly liked him and are dearly missing him. Even with this fact, he knows he would have to remain in hiding and deal with the burden of guilt upon him.

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How you are raised does not have to be who you turn out to be and it shouldn't be an excuse or a reason for your actions. I agree with Dara on this

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Kollene's comment about Huck and Jim was on point. She explained that Huck probably did not want to go back home, because he has no one else that is his age to interact with. He is just able to interact with his older, drunken father.

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I agree with Dara that even if you are raised a certain way, you can change your opinion

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I agree with Ashlin's comment. I feel as if Huck is moving away from his father in some ways. Sure he uses what his father taught him (stealing & hunting) but he has morals and his father doesn't. His father would have left the robbers to die in a heartbeat whereas Huck had a mental breakdown about leaving them behind and even went through the trouble of sending someone to save them

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I really like Hope's level 3 question. She tied in modern day society to the relationship with Huck and his father.

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I like Hope's level 3 question. Society has changed and families have a different structure than in the 19th century. As society has gotten more progressive, alternate families have become normal in our society, rather than solely relying on the mother-father-child structure of prior centuries.

Garrett's level 3 question raised a good point- when does the fun of running away wear off? It seems so exciting at first, being able to escape the harsh truths of reality to live an alternate life free of the labels cast upon us. After a while, though, the adrenaline will wear away, leaving despair and hopelessness. After days of living off the land and hiding from those searching for you, maintaining the fantasy you have created, stress sets in. You long for the comforts of modern society. You wish you had a family-cooked meal. Or a family at all. This calls for moderation. Instead of escaping your problems in a physical sense, do so mentally. Find a hobby or some way to express why you want to run away and create something from it. Be productive. In the end, this serves a better end than running away and casting a shroud over the problems that first plagued you and will continue to plague you until you face them.

I like the conversation about taking risks. Ever since Huck was on the run, he quit being so imaginative and carefree as he was with Tom. He had to maintain the idea that he was dead, so he had to take calculated ricks to ensure the fantasy stayed intact. That's why he quit acting so foolish and started calculating the methods it took to survive on an island in the middle of the Mississippi River. He learned from his mistakes by not letting smoke be seen from across the river and by being careful of the island's animals and overall environment. Through his running away, Huck has grown towards being an intelligent young man rather than the ignorant boy he was before.

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Hopes Level 3 question was deep, because it challenged how a relationship can tie in with what society thinks and how they react.

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Hope, Kyana, and Garret's Lv3 questions all tie in Huck and his father's relationship. Garret asked what would make Huck return home and it will probably be to stop his father from getting his six grand or to go see his best friend Tom

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It was good that Kyana pointed out the irony of the person that Huck found in the woods just so happened to be Jim, it is very ironic.

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I feel like Huck is no longer afraid of Jim because being around himand learning about him is allowing him to appreciate him more

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Philip level 1 question- I think that the kid was only afraid to be around Jim because of the circumstances.
Huck is starting to pick up on Tom's courageousness and his father's habits.
Hope's Question- You never know what happens when its just two people in a room
Garrett's- I think that Huck will get tired of always being on the run, but since he always searches for adventure.
Superstition conversation- I think that Twain did this because he is trying to set the scene and able to understand what they believe in.
They don't want to get their hopes up.
Never really sit and enjoy life always worrying.
Good point Ashley made about Huck being a hypocrite. I agree with this statement because Huck hated the way his father was always manipulating people and stealing.
Huck manipulated Jim by using Tom's name to get him to go do something.
I disagree with Dara, because Huck and Jim are both in the same position right now in the story and they both have to run from the past and stay hidden.
What is the line between right and wrong and who draws that line??
Mrs. Hebert's level 3--- Yes there is a difference.. Sort of see it. Religion based off a story, superstition based on weird signs of natural, rare, occurrences. Biological circumstances.
Huck is starting to learn to become self-dependent correctly.
Manipulation point??????? about him dressing up as a girl and lying about who he was TWICE!!!!
Civilized v. Criminal (idk the word to put)...
Racism is focused on it in the book to help set the scene... ?
Dara's quote!!! YESSS
Satirizes racism because it shows that people actually thought it was okay to discriminate and be rude to people just because of color...
I don't think he did agree with slavey.... At ashley's question..

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Hope's level 3 question really made us think. good job.
I agree with Gabi about picking up on what your parents teach.
I dont think Huck was homesick bc he had nothing to come home too really.
Did Huck have any other people looking for him because they cared or just for money?
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I agree with that comment below this one Logan Brou. That situation really does bring Huck's morals out

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I agree that people are only probably looking for the reward but morals are seen through Huck when he tricks the boat owner into attempting to rescue the robbers

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Jean Luke's level 3 question was really good. He pointed out the theme of greed in the novel which appears in a lot of instances.

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I think that all the running and hiding from the law and his Dad is going to catch up with him, its really just a matter of time I think.

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I also agree with what Philip said about how eventually all the running and hiding from the law is draining and exhausting.

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In such a ruthless society where people kill without regret i feel the search is definitely for nothing more than the money.

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-I agree with Ariana that it is stressful to be on the run and it causes them to committee more crimes. For example Huck stole the chicken. ---Their society is one man for himself.
-I don't think it makes sense that the court was so concerned about who huck's leagall guardian was but they didn't care as much about crimes being committee.
-I agree with Kyana that is ironic that Huck found Jim in the woods.

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I agree with what Alex said about how they are really realizing that they need to be more careful and not as loose about everything that they do.

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I like how they said they were becoming less civilized because staying on the run is draining

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I agree with what logan said about humanity and that Huckleberry and Jim are ruthless. Huckleberry and Jim did not want to get caught and are willing to kill for it. For example, when they tried to sink the boat

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I agree with Ashlin said about how the book is a hyperbole of death, all the deaths happening are ridiculous and people are not getting in trouble for all the murders happening.

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I agree with what Ashlin said about white people not going to get in trouble for murder at this time. And Philip about "survival of the fittest." People back then did what they had to do to not get caught for crime.

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i like what Logan said about the time periods, that Jim is likely to get accused because he was black.

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Being the time period, it was easy for the people to go after Jim rather than further investigate the crime.

-I like what Philip said, "It's survival of the fittest." Huck and Jim are doing what they can to survive, and we witness other people doing this at the end of chapter 12 as well.

-I like Alex's question about someone's psychological state as they run away. I'm sure that Huck is becoming drained and tired from running away, as well as Jim. At what point does someone want to go home, or what is Huck's home?

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-Maybe the island was once flourished with people and they abandoned it, explaining the many abandoned boats and belongings.

-I concur with the comment about satirizing of the justice system
due to the likely conviction of Jim due to his race.

-Samantha noted that social Darwinism plays a part in the book which I do believe is true due to the prevalence of race playing a part in the book.

-I believe that the statement made about the search driven by ransom is completely true as people are selfish and pursue things that will benefit them.

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Jim disappeared the same day that Huck "died" so he was also a suspect.

I think that fear goes with ambition because Huck and Finn have so much fear of getting caught, but that strives them to continue to do stuff that creates fear. This is ambition.

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-Huck reflected his father when he stole things from others.

-I agree with what Logan Ber. said about the time period they were in and that's why they went after Jim.

-I agree with what Philip said about the survival of the fittest because so many people died but only people who knew what they were doing survived.

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Huckleberry disguised himself as a girl in order to obtain information and if people were still looking for him because he was not near civilization.

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Just because Huck is kind to Jim, doesn't take away from him being inherently racist. Their relationship is used for the readers' benefit.
I liked what Ashlin said about the hyperbole of death; that would increase the effect of the satire.
@Logan Brou, maybe the bad luck is emphasized bc of Jim's place in society.

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*Pap ran away even tho he didn't do anything because Huck died in his cabin and thought they would come after him. I think he knows that his actions caused Huck to "die".
* I do think there is some irony with Jim disappearing when Huck "died" and they found each other in the woods.  -Commenting on Ashley
* I agree Gabi because the only reason Pap is so worked up about the possibility of Huck being taken from him is because Huck goes and gets money for his alcoholic ways. -To Gabi

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---I dont think Pap would care about Huck's death if there wasnt money involved.
-I agree with Kyana there is some irony between Huck dying and Jim disappearing. -commenting on Ashley and Kyana
-I agree with everyone that said that Jim was an easy suspect because of his race. -commenting on Logan and etc.

-Kinda like the quote,"Hope for the best and expect the worse" - commenting on the discussion on bad lack in the novel.

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Type one comment based on the inner circle discussion. Respond to two other written comments on this page. Worth 10 points! =)