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"It is harder to be good than most novels make us believe" John Green

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John Green believes can be read in a variety of ways

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Not every human being has evil inside them. Believes the story is sexist.

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The beast inside them

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the scar is the arrival of human race

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Society and Civilization is needed in order not to be savages.

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Without civilization, there is no chance

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According to John Green, Golding thinks we are humans, animals and savages

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roger thinks that we all are bullies but the questions is can we get away with it

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roger thinks that we all are bullies but the questions is can we get away with it

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beastie is themselves they're creating it

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beastie is themselves they're creating it

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John Green disagrees with golding's idea that human is inherently evil

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We're all bullies

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were all bullies

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Uses imagery

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Golding said that english are the best at everything
He uses a lot of imagery

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Pessimistic views about Humanity

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he agrees with the theory of thomas hobbesthat people aren't scared of savages they become one

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he agrees with the theory of thomas hobbesthat people aren't scared of savages they become one

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He thinks Golding's idea of savagery is flatly wrong

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Goes along against Jean-Jacques Rousseau and agrees with Thomas Hobbes

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Agreeing with Thomas Hobbes

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John green says that golding didnt inspire from jacques rousseau but thomas hobbes

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In the book, the dangers are internal and not external.

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Issues are internal

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Savagery within every bo

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lord of the flies was influenced by the war world 2 and the wars he was in

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lord of the flies was influenced by the war world 2 and the wars he was in

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William Golding believes every man is evil, and that is true, since every man is selfish. Goldings think that everyone is a savage, and all the above. I find it interesting how Golding calls it the "scar" instead of crash site, and it represents something. The way Golding says that about how no girls have been mentioned in the book, is very interesting, since it is weird and sexist about how the exclusion of girls occurred. Wars do end no matter how long.

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Kind of a happy ending

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the atrocities of world war two could have happen in england

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the atrocities of world war two could have happen in england

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Golding

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- Lord of the Flies is about what Golding believes children behave like
- Robinsonade (term comes from Robinson Crusoe)
- Golding uses imagery of what he thinks savages or uncivilised people are like
- "The war never ended for Golding"
- Green agrees that LOTF is a sexist novel

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Golding believes that a man produces evil as a bee produces honey
Lotf grew out of Golding's experiences in WWII
Most obvious model "The coral island"
Golding follows Hobbes's philosophy
Golding uses images of stereotypical savagery
Golding thinks humans are humans, animals and savages
Scar: arrival of humans
Beast: evil in man
Rotting pig-head: depravity
Civilisation (Golding's view):  ennobling
Political allegory
Moral allegory
Religious allegory

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The book grew out of Golding's own experiences

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william saw what the real world after the war world 2 and started to question what humanity is

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william saw what the real world after the war world 2 and started to question what humanity is

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Discovered human nature, man is evil

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a novel about ideas is only as its ideas

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Man produces evil the way bee produces honey. Children are naturally savage.

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the lord of the flies is taught in many literature classes in history

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the lord of the flies is taught in many literature classes in history

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A novel of idea is just as good or as bad as its ideas

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Evil in everyone

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A novel of ideas is as good as the ideas themselves

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Believes  human nature is evil.
"Man produces evil like bees produce honey."

Views similar to Thomas Hobbes: Human existence in the 'state of nature' is "short, nasty and brutish".

(Lord of the Flies written based on teaching and war experiences.)

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golding is a

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doesn't like the lord of the flies

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golding believes that evil lurks in man

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John Green:
He doesn't like Lord of The Flies.
A novel of ideas is only as good as its ideas.
Ralph was killed for no reason.
Kind of a happy ending.
Grew out of WW2.
Golding 'took' from other novels.
Like:
Shakespeare, Coral Island, and a lot of other books.
Golding's view on savagery in human was wrong.
The island is never paradise.
Golding was very dark
William Golding:
Golding believes Thomas Hobbes.(Humans are inherently evil)
The war changed his view to the above. It caused him to write the book in the first place
He thought people should know about the nuclear war.
Pessimist view on humans.
English could have been the Nazis.
English are best at everything.
Took inspiration from the Christian realm.
Beastie = humans.

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Dislikes lord of the flies
Hate is in every man
A novel is as good as its ideas; like a bee produces honey
The boys let loose
They killed Piggy for not reason; also tried to kill Ralph
The dangers are internal
Free from social ideals
THE ENGLISH ARE THE BEST
We are all bullies
''what are we?"
The scar is the arrival of the plane
Wilson is so innocent
The problem of evil is real
No women characters
Are girls just as a bad as boys?
Multi-layer
Like coral island
Garden of Edin
Morals; evil will win against good
A god will save the day
Wars do end

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John Green:
He dislikes Lord of the flies
a novel of ideas is as good as its ideas
Disagrees with the description of old civilization
William Golding:
Man produces evil
Children's true nature
Internal dangers
Nasty, brutish, short
The kids could be anyone (British, German...)
We're all bullies, animals, humans, savages

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John Green dislikes the book lord of the flies

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John Green dislikes the book lord of the flies

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evil lurks in every man
a novel of ideas is only as good as other ideas
Piggy is killed for no reason
Without social constraints we would fall into chaos
Atrocities of World War II could have happened in England
The way of imagining savagery is wrong when showing spears and such
Golding believes we're all bullies
The beastie is the evil in the children

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Golding thins like Thomas Hobbes
Ralph is saved by the bell(navy)
The beast in their heads(golding)
Golding says we are all bully's, who enjoy causing pain to others.
Green says Golding's view of savagery and tribes work.

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Doesn't like LOTF

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Novel of ideas is just as good/bad as its ideas.

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Dislikes Lord of the Flies

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He hates the book
Believes that piggy is Ralph's side kick
Golding believed in the perfectibility of men
Jean jack russeu believed that if humans weren't constraint by society that we would be sane
Hobes believes that all men are evil
he believes that the boys had no chance at sanity

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John Green hates the book just like yours truly.
It's taught in many classes
LOTF is a 1954 novel
The book is basically a bunch of boys killing each other.
William Goulding believes that war is bad or something like that.
Willliam Goulding told his wife ''what if I wrote a book about teenager boys'''. I wish he didn't say that.
In LOTF the dangers arent external. They're internal.
Thomas Hobbes thinks life is nasty and thinks we need government to keep society in order.
Brits are good at killing.
Goulding gives us scene about nature.
The airplane fall is reffered to as a scar .Have no clue why

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dislike lord of the flies
a novel of ideas is only as good or about his ideas

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Connects LOFT to Shakespeare's work.

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LOFT grew partly out of Golding's experience .