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@Nic You pointed out all the things he did wrong. No, some of the things he did. He's just not a good person. he's done just too many bad things. He cheated on his wife twice. All of his men, not most of his men died just because he couldn't think about what his actions would do to others around him.

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@Nic. I disagree. Just because he looked out for his men and tried to save some of them, in the end he still cheated and got most of his men killed.

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odysseus should have killed the suitors, because they came into his house being disrespectful and not treating odysseus trying to marry his wife to be king, and they disrespected him when he came back in rags, odysseus probably also felt that people that dresses like he did should not be treated as they treated him.

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Nic- Odysseus is a good person while he got most of his men killed and cheated on his wife he still looked out for his men and tried his best to save them.

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@Cole you do have a point there. They didn't deserve any of that. Odysseus is actually like a really bad dude not even going to lie...~Summer

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destiny - penelope waited for odysseus for 20 years because she was in love with him. i don't think she should have waited that long because 20 years is along time, she could've moved on like odysseus did but she chose to wait.

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I disagree with you disagreeing with my disagreement. I don't agree with that. They signed up to be at Odysseus' side for honor in war. Not to be left on the doorstep of a random house in the middle of the ocean. He had even forgotten about the soldier and had to be reminded that the soldier even died in the first place.

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@Troiani- YESSSSS

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site* btw

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YO CAN U SHUT UP

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So what do we think? Is Odysseus a good person or not?

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@Tripp- can you please stop messing around, we are using this cite for educational purposes and you are taking advantage of this for your own humorous purposes.

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@Natalia     Nic- I agree she was staying loyal.

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@Cole B. I agree he could have at least honored his last request for a proper funeral.

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@Hailey You're wrong though, because they were. It stated in the text about how the suitor's were Odysseus' subjects. It was when the suitors were begging for their lives. They also didn't just make one wrong choice. they made a severe amount of wrong choices over the course of 20 years.

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@Tyler But think about this. They had a whole other life back on their homeland it doesn't have to be just family and Odysseus killed them which meant that everything they had was just left there, So in my opinion Hailey is still right. ~Summer

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summer stop typing so loud tripp

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@zykenya i agree with you that it wasn't her fault. She didn't have news on anything with Odysseus or his men

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Natalia- Penelope waited 20 years for Odysseus because she loved him and didn't know if he was dead or alive. I don't think she should have waited 20 years because the people had to live 20 years without a king.

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@Lana. I agree she would have picked a new king if she didn't love him.

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@zykenya I agree because Penelope was so in love with Odysseus she probably would have still loved him -Lana-

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@Cole. I disagree with you disagreeing with my disagreement because even though they knew he died, they were already on the way home. He  could not change what already happened. They knew what they signed up for whenever they followed him on that quest. You cannot blame one single person for the tragedies that happened on this quest. -Trae

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@Summer good point. How else could Odysseus have handled the suitors besides killing them?

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not really tyler your wrong

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@Tyler I didn't mean that they already had wives but they might have had dads and moms and uncles and stuff like that. - Hailey

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@Tyler- If they were going to be king then i think that the wife would be okay with the cheating

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@Hailey. I disagree with you, because that would mean they were trying to cheat on their wives for Penelope.

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@Trae I disagree with your disagreement because. It isn't his job to keep his soldiers safe, you're right. It's just the fact that he never even bothered to make a funeral for the poor dude. They saw how he was dead, and they were just like, "Ight I'ma head out." Like dude. Odysseus really didn't even care about his soldiers.

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@Marvin I agree because Penelope waited 20 years and 8 of those years Odysseus was cheating on her.

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penelope waited for odysseus because she loved him and never gave up on him like everyone else did, she still waited as long as she could, even though after she would have got married to one of the suitors should would have still loved him.

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nooooo your wrong

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@Nic- I think she should have waited because she would have never known about him cheating.

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@Hailey your definitely right, There were so many different ways he could have handled that but instead he had to go and kill them all. None of the suitors deserved that and it was very wrong of Odysseus. ~Summer

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@hailey I agree that he shouldn't have killed the suitors that was a little messed up there.

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Does the fact that the women are goddesses that Odysseus cheats on Penelope with change the rules for being unfaithful? Is it okay to cheat with a goddess?

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@Hailey I think Odysseus definitely did the right thing because even though they may have thought he was dead, but they still disrespected his kingdom, and even his house. They planned to kill Odysseus' son and ate copious amounts of the livestock and drank wine that wasn't even theirs. They even tried to force Penelope, Odysseus' grieving wife into marriage. Definitely not epic, 1/10 IGN. :((

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@Cole I'm pretty positive that the suitors were not his subjects, and even if they were would u deserve to die if u made a wrong choice. -Hailey

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yes there is difference in the word hero today then how the Greeks used it because the Greeks just used as saying there is strong guy that can fight and save lives that he is hero but today a hero does not have to be a person that just save lives they can be a hero in so many different ways

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@Cole I agree because that was not epic of the suitors to try to invade his kingdom, eat his food, and try to steal his wife.

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Why did Penelope wait for Odysseus for 20 years? Should she have waited that long?
Because she loved him. No, because she promised him to choose a different king if their son had hair on his face before he came back, but their son would have had hair on his face before Odysseus got to Ithaca.

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@Trae. that is an extremely good point about soldiers dying in warfare.

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Lana- I don't think that Odysseus is a good person because he was supposed to be leading his group and he was't even able to control his own men and a good leader should be able to control their own men and Odysseus was not being faithful to Penelope and went he went home he didn't go straight to her he disguised himself to see if Penelope was being faithful

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Marvin- It was a good idea for Odysseus to kill the suitors. I say this because for several years they mistreated his home and harassed his wife. This makes me like Odysseus more.

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Katlyn                                                                                                                                                                                        Odysseus has his moments, yeah he could be a good person but he could also be selfish/arrogant. When it came to the island where the witch turned his men into pigs Odysseus agreed to stay with her for a year so that his men could be turned back into humans. But whenever they got to the Cyclops island place and were escaping the Cyclops (son of Poseidon) he was yelling these things to get the Cyclops mad and that didn't work in favor for him and his men. Penelope waited for Odysseus for 20 years because she had hope that he was still alive and was still out there. Yeah, she could've waited longer but didn't need to, in the 20 years of being apart Odysseus has cheated on Penelope with many women. She wouldn't be betraying Odysseus because she didn't know he was even alive for those 20 years.

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@Cole I love the IGN meme lol

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@Marvin- Odysseus told her to wait till he was fully grown and 20 years is about that age.  She did exactly what she was told

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@Cole- I disagree with your statement of saying he is a bad person because a soldier died. Whenever you go into war or fight the opposition it is not odysseus's job to keep every single person safe. He fights just as they do and his life is in dnager as well. Trae

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@nic...I think it's kinda fun too

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Nic- I think Odysseus was right killing the suitors because they ate all of his food and tried to steal his wife. Odysseus killing the suitors makes me like him more because him killing 100 people is kind of fun in my opinion.

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Cole B- Should Odysseus have killed the suitors? Does that make you like him more or less? Odysseus definitely did the right thing. He ended the lives of unfaithful and unloyal subjects. He left. and they decided to take over his kingdom, and force his still grieving wife to marry them. It's honestly tough, 2/10 IGN not epic. :(

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@Nic. I hear what you're saying and I agree, but how do you think Greek society viewed the actions of Odysseus when it came to cheating on Penelope?

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Malachi- Penelope was told to wait till her son was fully grown to re-marry so she pretty much waited the perfect amount of time.

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Marvin- Penelope waits for Odysseus to return for 20 years because she believes that he is alive, and doesn't want to think that he's dead. Personally I don't think she should've waited that long because he could've been dead.

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Is Odysseus a good person? I think that he Is not a good person because He left home for troy and then he go lost getting home and he kept saying I just wanna go home but it didn't seem like he really wanted to go back home, because he spent a year with Circe and then seven years somewhere else and then when he got home to his wife instead of being so happy to be home and immediately see Penelope, he disguised himself, only told telemachus and a few servants who he was and still let penelope be in the dark. So I do not think he's a good person because he doesn't do good person things. ~Summer :))

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What Values does Odysseus embody for young Greeks?
Hospitality, and culture.

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Nic- Penelope waited for Odysseus for 20 years because she loved him and wouldn't give up until he was confirmed dead. I think she should not have waited because Odysseus basically cheated on Penelope during his journey.

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Trae - I think odysseus was right to kill all the suitors because they were trashing his home and disrespecting his wife and dog. If he had not killed them they would have attempted to murder him so they could take over his kingdom.

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Cole B- Is Odysseus a good person? I don't think Odysseus is a good person, because he doesn't think about what his actions do to others, or the people around him. Everyone says that he really cares for his men, but when one person in his army dies, they decide to leave his body on the island instead of taking a couple more hours to make a proper funeral. So. He's a bad person.

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Lana- Penelope waited for Odysseus for so many years because she was really in love with him. I don't think she should have waited for him because what would have happened if he was like actually dead and Odysseus was not being loyal while he was away for 20 years.

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Malachi- I think that Odysseus is a good person is because even though he isn't making the best choices his intentions are good.

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@Hailey. I agree! Odysseus may have been a tad too harsh.

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I do think Odysseus is a good person because he never left a man behind and i think he really does care about the people in the story line but he is foucsed on other things that come in his path and not just trying to be a good person

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@Trae. Great point, someone can be a good person and still make mistakes. ~ Troiani

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Hailey- I don't think Odysseus should have killed the suitors because they honestly thought that he was dead and they didn't mean to be disrespectful. They probably had family back on their homeland and didn't deserve to die.

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Trae- I think that odysseus is a good person with good intentions, however, i think that he screws up a lot of times and puts his crew in danger.

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Tyler Wideman
Why did Penelope choose a challenge that only Odysseus could complete?

Why did Penelope make people use Odysseus's bow for the challenge?

Why did Athena want Odysseus to go to war?

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Should Odysseus have killed the suitors? Does Odysseus killing of the suitors make you like him more or less?

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Why did Penelope wait for Odysseus for 20 years? Should she have waited that long?

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Is there a difference between how we use the word "hero" today to describe people versus how the ancient Greeks used the word? Why or why not?

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What values does Odysseus embody for young Greeks?

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Is Odysseus a good person?