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Involving them is always a good thing as they can evaluate things from a different view point. Very good to see my progress.

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By involving students in lesson observation, we have an opportunity to develop student's skills in mentoring too.

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I have not tried to involve students in my observations, but the students are always sincere and demanding. For this reason, I should involve students in observing the lesson

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First I invite them to do a class similar to how I do it (it is easier to "copy") so that they focus on: explaining, capturing attention and making sure everyone understood.
Then we analyze successes and errors to improve.

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I always ask students for feedback. You must ask them for specific pieces of feedback to make sure that this is effective. Do not "over" ask them.

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This is always the case because there is no constructive dialogue. You also need to listen to the student's opinion in order to have a starting point. The challenge is that sometimes the student can have his idea, wonderful.

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Students may be good in lesson obeservations. A challenge may be not being objective enough every time.

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Students are good observers and as they are participant to the lesson they can indicate the pros and cons of the lesson and also improve the teac hing activity with their suggestions.

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I have already conducted activities with students in observed classes and asked them to indicate positive situations and others that could be improved. But first, it is necessary together with the mentor / observer to explore all possibilities and find solutions to any surprises.

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I have not tried involving students in my observation. I intend to do that. I think it is a good idea.

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I have not tried involving students in my observation.

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I have not tried to involve students, yet, in my observation. But it can be a good idea

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I have not tried to involve students, yet, in my observation. But it can be a good idea

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I have not tried involving students in my observation.

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We usually do an evaluation after the Interactive Groups with the students about the activities in which the mantee and the volunteers are involved.

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I have not tried to involve students.

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no, ı have in my students

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I haven't tried involving students in ma observations. They only evaluated my lessons. I think it's a very good idea.

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I will ask the opinion of my mentee, I think it is important for us so we can improve ourselves and get a better outcome.

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I think I'll use this idea. Otherwise I did not include students.

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Not easy but interesting...it is a third look on the situation...very significative

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Use some polls for the students would give us a really good feedback.

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I haven't tried involving students in my observations. I was pondering before on the way this could be done, but I didn't have any clear ideas. I'm thankful for these new ideas that were shared by Rachel and I believe they might work well. Preparation of materials for pupils as evaluators of specific aspects of the lesson could be time consuming. They might not be able to assess their feelings appropriately and unbiasedly. Those are the things I see as the challenges of such an approach.

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customer satisfaction - Chiara Delfini - Italy

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customer satisfaction - Chiara Delfini - Italy

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Yes, the student's opinion is a key point. i always ask them

- 2 kind of customer satisfaction

a) closed question

b) opne question

so that the student can clearly express his/her idea on the course or on the method of teaching

- mailing me if there is anything they don't like or they prefer to do better or if they have issues with the mentee assigned

- sharing the report with the mentee if there are some issues

Every customer satisfation isn't done to criticize the person, but only to analyze what we could improve about logistic, the method, the subject and the arguments.

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Students are always sincere and exigeant.

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Students are very critical thinkers and can observe things that we have never imagined!

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It´s hard because sometimes the observer comes to judge the new teacher,  so to ask students about the new teacher´s performance in the classroom, if students complained before,(and that was the reason of the observation, a complaint) is rather embarrassing.

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Yes, I ask for feedback from my students every day, at the end of the class. In this way, I modify my teaching and change my methods and strategies. Students are given the opportunity to self-assess and see if they have achieved the outcomes.

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I do that almost every day. Pupils gain a sense of importance and strive to be realistic as I seek their opinion. Depending on their answers, I change, as needed, the teaching method, methods, strategies…. Often I ask them are they satisfied with their grades and ask them to propose a grade and it's in most of the time - real!

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The involvement of students in the observation process is an added value in the discussion of pedagogical practices implemented by teachers, student feedback enriches the professional development of teachers.

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yes, I find it quite useful, they become critical thinkers

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Almost every day I involve my students in my observations. Children are very creative and and they make honest answ
ers.

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Involing students in lesson observation is a challenge and very important for the next step:modify the way you teach

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Never tried. My pupils are just 4-6 but I see it interesting.

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First I asked my students for feedback on the methods and materials used and I took their observations into consideration to change or improve my teaching strategy. Now I almost don't do it anymore, because I can perceive almost immediately if they have received the message and are able to implement it

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Sometimes I ask feedback from my students about the methods and materials used or how they felt. I take into account their observations to change or improve my teaching strategy.

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Maricris Sometimes I ask feedback from my students about the methods and materials used or how they felt. I take into account their observations to change or improve my teaching strategy.

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Maricris Sometimes I ask feedback from my students about the methods and materials used or how they felt. I take into account their observations to change or improve my teaching strategy.

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Never tried. I will, even my students are small kids 6/10. They will have for sure a different perspective. Good idea!

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In my lesson, I always involve children. In vain I want to convey some information that I know very well, if their skills do not match mine. Depending on what they like, what the children want to discover and do, I conduct my lessons.

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In my experience I never asked feedback from my students. I think it can be a useful thing not only for the mentee but also for the mentor. I appreciated in the video that the suggestions were not so much directed at what students learned but how they felt. I think it's better to start with older students using checklists.

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I involved students in lesson observations once when I was involved in a gamification methodology project.

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Yes, I tried. I gave to some of them some specific tasks in observing the lesson, such as how many times some pupils answe the questions, how the teacher writes on the black/white board, a.s.o.

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I think it's a great option when you have older children as observation within the preschool can be done only by adult. However, sometimes we do organize observations by students from our courses. 

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I think it's a great option when you have older children as observation within the preschool can be done only by adult. However, sometimes we do organize observations by students from our courses. 

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The students feedback is the most important steep in what do you teach! They help you to understand how to teach in the way that they will understand,

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I only tried to make my students evaluate my own lessons (I was testing with them a new methodology and they accepted to evaluate it anonymously) because I think you  need to know really well your students: sometimes teenagers tend to be a little immature and they can confuse empathy/sympathy with teaching skills.

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Marianthi, Greece I haven't so far but it could work if we explained exactly what they would have to do, how and why. We might have interesting ideas to elaborate on.   

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Marianthi, Greece I haven't so far but it could work if we explained exactly what they would have to do, how and why. We might have interesting ideas to elaborate on.   

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I haven't tried doing that because I think students need to have same preparation before doing that. To know what to pay attention to and try to be as objective as possible.

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My students have to teach lessons in my class. In the next lesson I usually ask my pupils, how the had experienced being thaught by the student. They usually are rather critical, but they also show deep insights into what teaching really means. I do not tell my students everything, what is said in these feedback rounds. But the students usually are eager to know the pupils' view on their teaching.

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If you want to have an active learning ,you should involve students, they can give a real feedback.

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Sometimes the students are very critical about therir teachers. However, their point of view is complementary to ours.
This is for two main factors:
- the students are completely disconnected from methodological readings of the lessons but they understand if the teacher has worked  with them to "make people understand" the object of the lesson. Many times have I heard comments like: this teacher is better because it does not go on until she is sure that we have all understood ...
- the second factor is the human relationship established between teacher-student and teacher-class. Unfortunately this is very hard to learn, I think to enter into relationship with the other is a native skill, the real teacher's vocation.  Unfortunately our students often reject the educational relationship if there's no empathy before: before they sniff us and, if they like how our smell, after they listen.

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Involving students in observations actually helps as they are more active and attentive. If well prepared they feel important and can give really good insight into their perspective.

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Involving students in lesson observation can be a challange. To give a feedback means to know the goals of the lesson.

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In my opinion the success of the mentoring work involves involving the mentee in its process: in preparing the classes/activities, selecting and preparing the observation of classes,
analyzing your own classes (by viewing the video record and talking about the pre-set observation grid)

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I have tried before.It is very important to involve students.That lead them to active learning.

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Student involvement leads to active learning, they learn from their own experience. They see the goals in the lesson so they can give a good feedback.

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Students are always involved in the lesson observation. They are told the lesson goals so they can give a good feedback of the lesson and also can improve the course of the lesson.

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It depends on the axis of observation. Students are very reliable to express their opinion about their engagement in the lesson, the climate in the classroom, the things they have learned but it is difficult for them to discuss about the scientific competence of the teacher.

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I have already had an experience inviting a student to do teaching with me.
Role-playing / acting / pretending to be me is a good way to check how I move in the classroom and how I influence my students.
Equally important to get students to imitate their classmate.
I have also set groups of students to evaluate the behavior of others.
Self-evaluation, followed by peer aponion is a way to develop students' attention.
I have already used video projection for students to improve their theater performance.
With the permission of the parent, I recorded a student's success in an activity to boost their self-esteem.

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I often involve students to my observations. When they have clear lesson goals then they can give feedback whether they have learnt what they were expected to learn. I think most students give honest feedback as most of them want to take from the lesson as much as possible. They are happy when they feel they have learnt something new.

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There is no teaching without students. Undoubtedly, students should be involved in the educational progress., although indeed it is more difficult than teaching without any students' reactions. But it is more challeching and more real. I love involving students because this gives meaning to my teaching. Their unpredictable answers and the ability of the teacher to response to them in the best way should be a skill that a future teacher is advisable to evolve...

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Pupils can be involved up to point; it also depends on their age. Their responses show a lot but this is not necessarily reliable. Even the best students feel bored from time to time...

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The pupils response and reactions to the mentee's teaching method can be a live observation tool both to the mentee and the mentor.Children, especially young ones, express very intense their emotions or thoughts
to the lesson and with simple and clear questions we can learn so many information.
The key is to observe their faces and reactions during lesson hours, be friendly, make them feel important and comfortable and of course guide them with the right questions.

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In my lesson, I always involve children. In vain I want to convey some information that I know very well, if their skills do not match mine. Depending on what they like, what the children want to discover and do, I conduct my lessons.

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According to my experience as a mentor, more important than listening to students' opinions is listening to the mentee during the three moments of pedagogical observation: pre-observation; observation and post observation.

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I've never worked as a mentor, but I a teacher I'm used to talk with my students about the way our lessons are developed; I ask them for suggestions for changing and improving; we discuss when the results are not very good, to find out new and more useful strategies; and analyze the good ones when the results are good.
I think that it's very important to listen to our students and make them feel as an important part of the process.

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I have not been a mentor before and I have no experience in this field

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Till now I haven't taken into account the students' view of the teaching practise. By now I realize that it can produce valuable evidence to the feedback process in a mentoring relationship! As a mentor I can draw valid information from their views of the teaching process and from their feelings about their teacher and his approach to them.
I have used emoticon charts in the past in order to monitor the collaboration and the achievements of pupils with special needs attending the usual classroom. Of course, parents should be informed and perhaps asked to give their consent on this practice.

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The challenges of such an approach are to focus on the personal abilities, skills and knowledge that one already possesses and to identify what needs to be developed personally in order to successfully cope with the new situation.

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I I think there is widespread agreement that the students’ view of the teaching practice in general or a teaching observation in particular, is important and has the potential of producing crucial evidence which can be a valuable source enriching the feedback process in a mentoring relationship thus contributing to the teachers’ personal and professional development.

There are however serious considerations regarding the age and maturity of the pupils/students and the means employed to draw valid information on their views of the teaching process or the teaching practice in general.
The use of smiley/emoticon charts sounds appealing. It could be a simple chart, on which children (e.g. 6-10 yrs) could report, using for example five types of emoticons (joyful, content, neutral, bewildered, sad) their level of satisfaction, interest or collaboration experience during the lesson. Alternatively or additionally a general discussion with the children at the end of the observation session on how they feel about the lesson, how interesting they found it or what are the new things they've learnt could be a useful source of information utilized during the feedback meeting.

Furthermore, it is important that the parents are systematically informed on the adoption of such a practice to avoid confusion or possible misunderstandings.

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As I haven't been a mentor before I don't have such an experience.

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I have tried this with adults' education and vocational training.

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I have not tried this before. But when I think about it, it is almost logical that you do this.
I'm not a fan of the smiley-chart since I teach in the last years of secondary school. But it might be good to select some pupils (strong and weak) to have a conversation with about what they learned, how they did it... Did they enjoy the lesson? Why? Why not?

I think we might learn a lot from this kind of conversations.

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I try to involve students in the lesson observation process. I ask several students one or two questions about how they felt in the lesson, why they did this or that. i believe it adds to the observation a lot as the outcome of the lesson does not totally depend on the teacher, it depends on the students as well.

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Ideally involving students in the observation process in the way suggested would be very useful, but it's a risky business. It might give too much power to the students and put mentees in a difficult position, where they would feel observed and judged by both mentor and students. Additionally, if we want to include students in this, we definitely need to train them beforehand.

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No, I don't try to involve students in the obseration, because they were too young to cooperate in this process.

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I didn't try to involve students but I would like to try. I think this could work well but only if students are taught to observe through their education or are taught how to assess peers and evaluate themselves. If they are not taught to do that, observing for the first time would be a challenge to analyse and to interpret their comments.

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The student voice is a very important one. I haven't used student observation yet as the classes have been very young and it would take a lot of planning and time initially to set up. However as I gain more confidence in my role as mentor This year I think it is something I would be interested in trying.

Care is needed that dialogue with students remains professional and does not become personal. Also I believe it is important that all groups of students are represented including students with special needs.

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Involving students in lessons observation is important becauce they can tell their opinions, their expectations. At the end of the lesson, they can answer some questions of the process, what they liked or not and what they could change.

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Envolving students in the lesson observation gives teachers the power to make changes so it is important to do it. They can tell what they liked or not with the emojis, as the example, or just give feedback about if they learned or not, what was the  part they liked more or that they didn't like.
I believe it has to be more informal, like the emojies or a converstaion at the end of the lesson.

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It is important to actively involve the students and show them that their opinion matters. I think that supplying students with small questionnaires about their expectations and how these were fulfilled or not, is useful to lesson observation and future lesson planning.

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It is a very interesting idea to involve students with a class observation sheet. The teacher can pause at certain time periods and ask children to check their sheets. In this way, feedback can be collected from all students. The teacher can take them into consideration for planning and differentiating according to students’ needs.

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From asking questions about how they felt, how they liked the activity are feed-back for teachers. They can make changes or try another strategies based on these answers.

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I believe that involving the receivers and the audience of the learning outcome into the whole process of reflection is positive. They are good judges and they can reflect on mentee's communicating and learning skills. That could be on a written or oral form as a small group interview.

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Involving students in an observation is very important. Their feedback is not to be underestimated whatsoever.

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Although I really like the idea of having mentoring system in Italy, I must admit I had never thought to involve students as co-observers; making them check tally or smiley charts as pointed out in the video by Rachel Lofthouse. I think that it is an idea worthing a try but it must be carefully lead. When the students are part of the observation process they shouldn't be involved, because who is the focus of the observation can't be observed at the same time. The observation might change in a certain way. Nevertheless, it could be possible to prepare a small talk with the students after the observation has taken place using selected questions. In addition to this, it would look interesting firstly making a traditional observation mentor - mentee and then leading a second observation session asking the feedback to them, in order to monitor if any changes occur.

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I believe it’s very helpful to involve students to give feedback in our observations but it has to be very well designed. Information on what they liked more could definetely help.

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Svaka povratna informacija je dobrodošla.

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It's absolutely very important to involve students in the observation session. As students are the final beneficiaries of all process, their feedback is of great importance. However, the mentor should be really careful while getting feedback from the students. They should understand that a discussion session (for example after the observation lesson) should totally be constructive and not for evaluating the students teacher.

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I think students' feedback is always useful to improve teaching and learning activities, but you need to be very careful in their involvement. We risk making them believe they can evaluate their teacher.

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What I have found really interesting is giving students questionaires about their own anticipations and hopes about the lesson at the beginning of it and at the end another questionaire to check whether their anticipations were met.  This is a powerful tool because it can offer teachers real insight and feedback about the teaching method they use and how to iprove it

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In my opinion it's very informative to involve pupils in lesson observation. The students have their point of view for the lesson and it can function as a feedback for the teacher. Moreover the students have the first word at the teaching procedure. A questionnaire is a tool we can use in this case, or maybe making small pupils groups .I have done this trying, it worked quite good and i dare to say that there were failures that i could't see before. My pupils helped me to improve things in my teaching methods.

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It’s always important to involve students in every activity you do in classroom. When discussing reading comprehension texts I like all my students to discuss any of the ideas. Every one has a part even weak ones.

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I believe that the best feedback you can get for your lessons comes from students because they are the ones who are directly involved in the learning process. They give you the real situation and the real marks. I have positive experiences of involving students in lesson observations .Once I had a very strange experience .It was years ago ,during a special research about learning/studying English . I remember another bad experience , when an older student corrected my expression and I realized that it was a very difficult situation .She was quite rude and unpleasant .I think I should ignore her but I was very disappointed and imbarassed.This  was a good lesson for me .We learn better from difficult situations than  from easy ones.

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I tired to involve the students by giving them emoticons at the end of the lesson. Involving the students in lesson observation is a good ideea, if the students are motivated and want some changes .

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I try involved the students in the activity...it was interesting for them.

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I already use the emoticons give by students at the end of the lesson. I think is a good way to find out how they feel during a lesson, what they liked...

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I think that involving students in lesson observation is a good idea. I never involved my or my mentee's students but I will try to do this in my own lesson. I have an experience from my last training. We gave a task as a group and one of us just observed our doing. After our presentation she told us her observation and gave us short feedback.

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Since long ago I have the habit to ask my students to make some feedback about my lessons at the end of each term. They are invited to write some sentences (3 or 4) abou what they most enjoy about my lessons, what they dislike, if they feel they are learning or not, if they feel comfortable or not. They are free to leave their comments anonymous. This strategy has become fundamental for me and it helps me to make some choices about my teaching. I have never thought about asking the mentee's students to do this but now that I am doing it, maybe I will try it if he/she agrees with the idea.

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In a class observation I try to know the contents that will be given, the use of new technologies, if students were led to explore and deduce learning, if there was final assessment.
In my lessons I try to use as much as possible the new technologies and topics of interest of the students, leading them to explore, experiment and discover the results we want.

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I think that involving students in mentoring observations is a little delicate.

On the one side it is important to know the opinions of the students on the lesson, methodologies etc. that have been received but on the other side we must be careful  not to give the students the feeling that they are evaluating their teacher, because this will infect the image of their teacher and their relationship with him.

Therefore, whether or not to involve students in mentor observations depends on how to involve them, such as using the smiley handout, etc.  I mean, I'm in favor of involving the students, but implicitly.