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It gives us a vague idea of the actual product, as long as we have some sort of idea of the thing, we can better understand it

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It is your decision whether or not to retain the information that is gained by shared knowledge. When that knowledge is accepted, it becomes your own, and you make your own opinion on it, changing it to become your own words.

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i agree that they check our instinctive judgements, but isn't instinct a way of knowing in and of itself?

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i agree that they check our instinctive judgements, but isn't instinct a way of knowing in and of itself?

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-AP

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In areas like art or science we often over complicate or simplify ideas because our brains like to try and categorize the illogical or naturally chaotic.

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Human and natural sciences, if no one applied this knowledge people wouldn't care about it or hold it in such high regards as they do now.

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In art you may have to reduce complex forms to make simpler shapes that read better in an image.

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In art you may have to reduce complex forms to make simpler shapes that read better in an image.

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-Amanda

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all of you

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Si

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Noah Kraemer: In Art the goal can be to limit components by simplification. In animation the entire goal is to render the character convincingly but in a simplistic form so that it can be moved easily through the scene. Conversely photorealism is the opposite extreme.

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Noah Kraemer: In Art the goal can be to limit components by simplification. In animation the entire goal is to render the character convincingly but in a simplistic form so that it can be moved easily through the scene. Conversely photorealism is the opposite extreme.

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Metaphors are bridges between different pieces of knowledge, and are essential to linking the unfamiliar to the familiar. So essential in fact, a metaphor was used for this explanation. Metaphors are a means of using language to convey other ways of knowing, like sense perception.

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Metaphors are things that link something one understand to something that they dont, in this way they can grasp the concept

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History and religion are heavily dependent on perspective. For example with history, if a care crash happens and 2 witnesses are questioned: 1 from the inside of the car and 1 who seen the crash from the street: both of their accounts would be true, but wildly different in perspective
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shared knowledge about something might allow a persons knowledge about that idea to change.

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Can help people understand complicated ideas, but also can confuse people more then they already are

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Models simplify the world into a more tangible sense, though it may take out external knowledge that could also be important. For example its like forgetting external info that could considerably change the result of a science experiment (ex. Wind, or an unsanitary and uncontrolled environment)

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I think this goes back to the topic of math earlier, since Math is a human creation that helps understand something that already exists. By using this model we can understand the world around us easier. However the disadvantage of trying to use models can be that the model is theoretical and doesn't account for everything.

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in order to make a metaphor we must be able to understand how 2 very different objects are abstractly or physically similar. It makes grasping a very hard concept easier to visualize.

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how can we measure knowledge if we can't apply it? how do we fact check without application of some sort?

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how can we measure knowledge if we can't apply it? how do we fact check without application of some sort?

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-AP

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If you use a model that already exists, you cannot produce new knowledge; you must think outside the box...

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If two people have a different idea its because they see the world in different light.

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I agree with this statement, as we can use the ways of knowing to However the ways of knowing are also the foundation of how we make judgements.

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For sure! This reminds of the whole tidepods=yummy fruit incident. Our basic primal monkey brains say that this colorful, spongy, and liquid filled capsule is delicious to eat but my big boy brain tells me that I'll probably die. The knowledge you gain throughout your life keeps you (most of the time) from making dumb and impulsive decisions.

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someone that has a degree in human biology is going to have a different perspective than someone with a degree in astrophysics.

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someone that has a degree in human biology is going to have a different perspective than someone with a degree in astrophysics.

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-AP

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Noah Kraemer: There can be no debate without an opposing side. Just as it is important to be well versed in your own side, you must also have knowledge of your oppositions points.

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Noah Kraemer: There can be no debate without an opposing side. Just as it is important to be well versed in your own side, you must also have knowledge of your oppositions points.

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Shared knowledge is personal knowledge that everyone has

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it sounds like we both have similar ideas about this question. I agree with what you are saying.

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agree because when we think about memory, we know it is not accurate so we constantly have to check ourselves to be positive

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True that! often somethings are offset such as the world map to better fit on something . it gives us an idea but itself is not accurate

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Metaphors are fairly essential, given that we as humans like making connections to further our understanding. We can understand something easily without metaphors, sure, but some people find it easier and more tangible to use metaphors. Its like seeing a toucan and being like "that is similar to a crow because they are both birds" or referring someone as strong because o they're like my dad- you got previous knowledge that strong is LIKE your dad, but its not like they ARE your dad.

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this is not the time for tide pod memes

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Noah Kraemer: Trivial knowledge such as an in depth appreciation of the history of stamp collecting or a knowledge of every James Bond movie , might be interesting tidbits of information, but they have very few actual appliances in the real world.

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Noah Kraemer: Trivial knowledge such as an in depth appreciation of the history of stamp collecting or a knowledge of every James Bond movie , might be interesting tidbits of information, but they have very few actual appliances in the real world.

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Intuition is a way of knowing, but, like memory, it is unreliable. Its an iffy thing and cannot be trusted entirely. People with predetermined prejudices about groups of people have "intuitions" about them that are more than often, wrong. Trust your gut, but only sometimes

-TK

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everything is interconnected. just like how ethics impact art and vice versa so does language impact perception. Kind of how like Syfy books aren't meant to predict the future but they can impact it (how like back to the future making us want to develop hover boards

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History is written by the winners. As such the memories of an event can easily be distorted. The one's who won a war will gladly talk about the evils of their opponent, however fail to mention horrible actions of their own. This can distort imagination and intuition if the only knowledge comes from the victor on a subject

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Elaborate?
I believe that these are some instinctual responses to knowing things but im also sure there probably alot more than just 8 out there

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no
this is my knowledge
you can't have it
-AP

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Is there knowledge that cannot be applied to the world? Well, in the present, knowledge of like quantum mechanics isn't really applicable to an average person, but does that make it less valuable to the world as a whole?

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EVERYTHING IS ART

No but seriously good job relating this to something everyone can relate to and understand.
-AP

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You can base your own understanding and knowledge off pre existing models

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Im super gullible so if 3 or more people tell me something im more likely to believe it over something else. So in a way shared knowledge be it true or false can shape my beliefs.

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Yeah, there has been time where people who heatedly fight for the sides, are offered an opposing idea and say "Oh, I didn't know that" and they change their stance completely! Totally agree with your point!

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I don't understand could you provide an example or metaphor perhaps?

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EXACTLY
what's the point of knowledge without application?
-AP

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I agree, just because we only know of 8 doesn't mean more don't exist

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I agree to a great extent knowledge about how to

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thats an interesting thought on how bad shared knowledge can be when it's wrong.

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YOOOO DC COMICS IS ON OUR SERVER

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Exactly, I tend to not think of myself as smart as most people so I will usually listen to other people even if I don't quite believe them

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Totally agree! I think that as an artist, i was a really visual learner. Models 100% make things easier to process info.

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you are soggy pasta

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I agree, and I think that is a good point that knowledge is not able to be quantified without an actual use
-Amanda

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what about when 2 ppl have different questions but come to the same revelation?

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totally agree! explaining things just gets harder when we overcomplicate things...
-AP

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Yo this is good- its also extremely interesting seeing other peoples outlook on life when responding to arguments and all that jazz.

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True, but you need to have a lot of faith that the model is correct
Amanda

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In mathematics and natural sciences, the goal is often to try and reduce all the information to some form of conclusion. In the arts and history, we start from a simple idea and build complexity from there.

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I mostly agree with this statement, as the driving source to encourage people to pursue science or mathematics is that this knowledge has application in the world, and allows us to learn about and better understand the world. You could say, however, that art is a form of knowledge that does not need to have application in the world other than deriving enjoyment.

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An advantage of using models to produce knowledge of the world is that someone or a group of people who have studied a topic in great depth are able to pass along information to others, so they can concisely explain their understanding of the topic so their research is not repeated. A disadvantage is that many people do not try and challenge the model, if it is popular then it is accepted despite inconsistencies.

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I agree that metaphors are great tools for taking what you already know and using that information to understand separate things that have similarities. Because of this, I think we are are able to further our knowledge with metaphors because understanding something as similar to what you already know allows you to study what makes them different and build knowledge from there

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Yes, sometimes our instincts can be faulty and cause us to make wrong or dangerous choices if we do not know that something is dangerous. Our instincts might tell us that something looks edible, but further knowledge tells us that despite this, it shouldn't be eaten.

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This is a very strong point. Conflicting interests in something leads to conflicting knowledge about it. Someone might be raised with certain ethical knowledge as a result of their religion, and thus have a different perspective on ethics than a person who has a different religion.

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I agree with this to an extent, though I may like to connect this to the question just to the right of this. Even using seemingly useless tidbits of information can still be applied to further someone's understanding, such as talking about a new movie and comparing it to other movies. Ex. Jurassic World is just like Predator but with one big dinosaur. Even if it doesn't apply to a profession, we still constantly apply our own knowledge into everyday conversation!

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I agree, since our minds always constantly like to put down connections to things, or try to find the sum of its whole. We do that for SURE in art. Artwork is all about separating the small things before going into the bigger picture!

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Metaphors expand an idea or feeling by providing different things that we can imagine or understand to then figure out the meaning of the metaphor. Such as we understand the metaphor "a broken heart" because we can visualize and know that broken is not good especially when it comes to your heart.

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agree because our instinct may be to do this one thing which may in turn harm us or others so other ways of knowledge and control can prevent us from living  instinctively

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depending on what shared knowledge you believe it could either change your personal knowledge or make you have a stronger belief in your knowledge

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I like your use of these subjects to explain this but after thinking about it I feel like it may be swapped. with math and science you start with a simple idea such as why does this apple drop? then to create a complex theory of gravity and all the elements behind that. where with art it could start with a complex idea of what you want to paint and then you have to break it down into colors, materials, etc.

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very good use of history to show this I hate history but it sure does come in handy

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Advantage: you can use the model and the current knowledge to build your own ideas onto it.
Disadvantage: Models only contain knowledge that already exists and does not contain new knowledge.

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When we try to remember something that happened a long time ago we usually only remember simple parts rather than the whole. When we remember some small moments, that can lead to remembering a bigger picture. Also when friends tell us information, we can take the small pictures all our friends tell us and create our own opinions.

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This is true because we know that we cannot trust our judgments based on instinct so we are aware of having to check, for example, if what we remember really happened.

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totally agree. when you listen to other information, it might add on to your own knowledge and maybe change your opinion.

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great example.

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Agreed Amy. even though metaphors don't contribute, it's a form of an abstract idea that can lead help us figure something out or think of an idea that we might not have otherwise.

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I do think that the ways of knowing makes us more aware of our lives and makes us think about our lives more deeply

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Everyone has personal knowledge and shared knowledge. It could be through the experiences that people have been through or dug out the sources themselves to have personal knowledge. For shared knowledge, well, it's basically self-explanatory; where they gained the information from other people. It can be conflicting because sometimes, personal knowledge would disagree with the shared knowledge.

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This is definitely a statement that speaks the truth, for it contains the conflict of faith and knowledge/reasoning. Different experiences create different knowledge and claims.

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I totally agree with your reply. Knowledge can still be gained from pre existing models and apply to many things around us, such as math

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I agree with your statement, and I do so believe that application is needed for most things, however art itself is something that inspires creativity and valuable knowledge without having it to be applicable

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I do agree that it links to concept and opens up an understanding in the art of language and knowing.