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Summary: the first image I chose was how people think Atlantis is represented to this day, a linked utopia. since this was created in Minecraft a game that pushes on creativity, I feel that Atlantis (since there's no real image out there) are left to nothing but our imaginations at the end of the day on what it could have been.

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Summary: This is the slate that is said to have held the knowledge of electricity for Atlantians. As I said in post #7 them having the knowledge of electricity is a long shot, to begin with not even mistaking the fact that this slate hasn't been translated yet.

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Summary: This last image and post is not a real image of Atlantis but how I, when I was a child, was opened to it and its existence. atlantis in any book, article, or website you read it on will be filled with the same facts and predictions with following estimates and contradictions. I feel that Atlantis was just a story that Plato created at the time and that's how I would like to leave it. A story.

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Summary: Authors have attempted to interpret these Beliefs, such as Joseph Jochmans and Moira Timms. Hakim states that what is shown on these Stone slates was that knowledge of electricity known to the dynastic Khemitian priests who had them carved, but a previous understanding of energy. this is the perfect example of "ainceint wisdom" and "Mystical Energy" as Plato would have had to have a very rough understanding of Electricity at the time to depict the Atlantes had perfected it. not only that but its a long shot for what materials are needed to create energy such as electricity for their Location and time frame.

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by Stephen Meher

From The Land of Osiris by Stephen Mehler

Adventures Unlimited Press, 2001 -chapter 15

The topic of the myth of Atlantis has been the focus of varied books and inquiries ever since Plato brought the concept to the Western world in two of his Dialogues, The Timaeus and The Critias, written in the fourth century BC. Plato claimed the story was passed down to the Greek statesman Solon by Egyptian priests. Several other Greek and Roman authors also related similar stories of a great ancient civilization that perished in a series of cataclysmic earth changes.

The story of a great flood has been found in the mythology and literature of almost all peoples world-wide, which has convinced many authors that it was a real event. In their book Cataclysm!, British science historian D. S. Allan, along with geologist and anthropologist J. B. Delair, presents an effective case for the possibility of a world-wide cataclysm occurring very near in time to Plato's dates for the fall of Atlantis around 11,500 years ago.

From my extensive research and interest in metaphysics, I became aware that Plato's Atlantis story and stories of even older civilizations, such as that of Lemuria in the Pacific Ocean, are accepted parts of the Western metaphysical tradition.

Groups such as,

the Rosicrucians

the Freemasons

the Theosophical Society

the Association of Research and Enlightenment

the Order of the Golden Dawn

the Poor Knights of The Temple of Solomon (the Knights Templar)

...have all accepted the myth of Atlantis as a real event that occurred in time and space.

In the early 1970s when I first discovered the works of Edgar Cayce and his channelings about Atlantis, I became very interested in the subject and read many books, especially those of Ignatius Donnelly, Robert Stacey-Judd and Manly P. Hall. Cayce's channelings were fascinating and detailed, and based on the accounts of his life story, he seemed to be a very credible source. The linkage of Atlantis to ancient Egypt was also particularly strong in Cayce's channelings, and for a while it seemed logical to me in my research in its early stages in the 1970s that Egypt had arisen as a result of a migration of advanced beings from the doomed Atlantic island continent.

It is also somewhat interesting that Mark Lehner, so often mentioned in this book as one of the strongest proponents of the accepted paradigms of academic Egyptology and highly doubtful of the existence of any previous Khemitian civilization before the dynastic periods, started his career as a follower of the channelings of Edgar Cayce and wrote a book in 1974 in which he supported the story of Atlantis and an ancient Khemitian prehistory.

In 1979, when I first heard the tape of the lecture given by Dr. J. O. Kinnaman, it was his declaration that he and Sir Flinders Petrie had found "proof" of Atlantis with ancient records and anti-gravitational machines in the Great Pyramid that so fueled my interest in his life and work. It was Kinnaman's declarations that were the final "key" for me, that obviously Atlantis had been a reality. It seemed early in the twentieth century, before Cayce had even channeled any information linking Egypt and Atlantis, that Kinnaman and Petrie had found the physical proof!

Of course, it could be argued quite the opposite since Kinnaman did not discuss this information in public or private before the 1950s and Petrie apparently never publicly discussed any such alleged finds, that Kinnaman only made the story up after the publication of Cayce 's readings in book form. This argument has been presented to me often by skeptics of Kinnaman's claims, and quite frankly, it cannot be refuted at this time. Since I have stated that Kinnaman claimed he and Petrie entered into an agreement with the governments of Egypt and Great Britain never to divulge the finds in their lifetimes, it remains speculation.

However, there was another claim of Kinnaman's that has recently, due to the work of Christopher Dunn, appeared to have some justification. Kinnaman stated that one of the uses of the Great Pyramid was to serve as a giant radio station to send messages all over the earth. Kinnaman claimed there was a passageway off of the secret entrance they found on the south-east corner of the Great Pyramid that led to a spiral staircase that took them down over 1,000 feet into the limestone bedrock. There, in a large room lying on a stone table was a giant quartz crystal ground convex that was 30 feet in every direction (long, high, thick etc.). This giant crystal with thousands of prisms inserted in it was the source of the radio transmission.

One of the researchers who has been very supportive of the possibility of previous high civilizations existing over 10,000 years ago has been David Hatcher Childress. A prolific writer and world traveler, Childress has authored several books about lost cities around the world. In his book Lost Cities of North and Central America, Childress mentions finding an article in a 1960s edition of Arizona Highways magazine which revealed that Egyptian artifacts had supposedly been found in the Grand Canyon in 1909 , and the story had been written up in the Phoenix Gazette newspaper . Childress set out to investigate and found copies of the newspaper articles in a public library. Sure enough, the story was front page news in the Phoenix Gazette for two days running in April of 1909.

These front page articles discussed the discovery of a cave in the Grand Canyon in Arizona containing Egyptian mummies and artifacts.

3D computer rendering by Jack Andrews

The find was supervised by a Professor S. A. Jordan of the Smithsonian Institute, but when Childress called the Smithsonian to attempt to verify the discovery, the head archaeologist and other officials of the Smithsonian denied knowing about any such excavation or artifacts. In fact, the Smithsonian archaeologist stated categorically that no Egyptian artifacts had ever been found in North America, and there never had been an S. A. Jordan who was associated with the Smithsonian. In the Denver Museum, I was able to locate back copies of the Smithsonian's annual reports. I did not find the year 1909, but in the 1911 report, the name S. A. Jordan was listed as a field archaeologist for the Smithsonian Institute.

In a discussion I had with Dr. A. J. McDonald, President and Executive Director of the Kinnaman Foundation in 1994 about Childress' revelations of an Egyptian find in the Grand Canyon, Dr. McDonald related to me that one of the places Kinnaman had stated radio messages from the Great Pyramid were sent was to the Grand Canyon in America. Now, again, it is possible as an informed archaeologist Kinnaman may have known about the Grand Canyon find in 1909, and even known Professor S. A. Jordan, and just connected the discovery to the Great Pyramid, but it remains an interesting story nonetheless.

We also now have Christopher Dunn stating that by virtue of the Great Pyramid acting as a coupled oscillator, tremendous amounts of microwave and radio wave energy were produced. So, indeed, the Great Pyramid could have functioned as a giant radio station, just as Kinnaman said it did. Hakim has stated on many occasions that the indigenous tradition has taught that one of the many functions of the Great Pyramid was as a giant communication device--again linking our three sources together in a new paradigm of the Great Per-Neter.

Now I can also weave other disparate pieces of information together into a coherent tapestry. In 1992, I engaged in a series of protracted discussions with Hakim on the subject of Atlantis. At that time he presented a very dim personal view of the myth of Atlantis, a pose which, quite frankly, greatly surprised me. He stated there was no real "proof" of the myth and Plato may have fabricated the story of Solon receiving the information from Egyptian priests. When I brought up Edgar Cayce and the Western mystery school traditions of Atlantis, Hakim stated that they all were just following Plato's lead. The motivation Hakim expressed for taking this stance was the way the Atlantis myth was used, to indicate that, "Non-African people created the monuments" (i.e., the Pyramids, Sphinx, etc.).

Hakim objected to the possibly racist way the myth of Atlantis had been utilized, namely, "an enlightened group of white people" escaping a dying continent and civilization came to Africa and taught "ignorant, backward indigenous peoples the trappings of civilization." I should mention that it was clear that Hakim was expressing his opinion of the way the myth had been utilized to promote a racist sense that Africans were not capable of creating high civilization without a Caucasian boost. I have mentioned that Hakim is a vigorous Afrocentrist, and his opinion of the Atlantis myth reflected that stance. Hakim adamantly adhered to his belief in the indigenous Khemitian tradition that Khemit was an advanced civilization and the cradle of humanity, and did not need " Atlanteans " nor anyone else to teach them how to build pyramids and other stone structures.

As one who had been deeply immersed in the Rosicrucian and Western mystery school tradition for many years, I was disturbed by Hakim's stance. I pondered over our conversations for many years without broaching the subject again with him. However, after Hakim's public emergence as an indigenous Khemitian wisdom keeper and master, I brought the subject up again in 1997. At that point, I posited a variation on the theme. As we had already engaged in lengthy discussions of ancient Khemit and the Bu Wizzer sites, I proposed to him that the myth of Atlantis was a mythologue, that is, a general story passed down that referred to the Global Maritime Culture that existed before the "flood," before the cataclysm of 11,500 years ago, a civilization that was centered in Northern Africa, in ancient Khemit.

I further proposed that if there indeed was a continent of Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean off the coast of Africa, it was connected to Khemit, both by trade and tribal bloodlines, and not in any way a separate, more advanced civilization. Hakim was pleased with the postulation and had no problem with an "Atlantis theory" if ancient Khemit was a major part of the equation. This theory sits very well with me, too, as I now believe the Atlantis story relayed by Plato (who was an Initiate of Khemitian mystery schools and the indigenous tradition) was, indeed, referring to Khemit by utilizing the theme of Egyptian priests relating the story to Solon, and there were other reasons for his version. One of those reasons may have been that Plato, as an initiate of the Khemitian tradition himself, was bound by oath not to divulge the whole story and to protect those still keeping the tradition alive in the dynastic Khemit of his day.

I now also believe Dr. J. O. Kinnaman may have been using the general Atlantis myth in the same way. Perhaps having found evidence of the ancient Khemitian civilization, he then equated that evidence with the known myth of "Atlantis," also connecting it all with the Masonic tradition he was a part of. In other writings, Kinnaman had indicated he knew that ancient Khemit was much older than orthodox Egyptologists believed. In presenting this story to a group of Masons, Kinnaman may have used the myth of Atlantis as a catch phrase, as Plato had done, because he knew the time was not ripe for the indigenous Khemitian tradition to be revealed (even to Masons!).

Now, Christopher Dunn has brought more information into this tapestry of Atlantis. Dunn discusses in his book the reliefs that are found in the underground crypts at the Temple of Hathor in Dendara of Upper (south) Egypt, reliefs that indicate the Khemitians were perhaps aware of the principles of electricity .

Dendara.

Temple of Hathor.

Reliefs in lower crypts of temple possibly

showing knowledge of electricity by depicting ancient Crookes tubes.

The Temple of Hathor at Dendara where these reliefs appear is a relatively late dynastic temple, dating from the Ptolemaic Period, ca. 100 BC. In one particular panel of the reliefs in the lower crypts, a baboon is shown holding two knives up in front of the apparent giant light bulbs ( Crookes tube), perhaps deflecting the flow of electrons.

Dendara.

Temple of Hathor.

Relief in lower crypt showing Isdes (baboon, companion of Thoth)

holding knives in front of possible Crookes tube.

Many authors have attempted to interpret these reliefs, such as Joseph Jochmans and Moira Timms, but none has had complete access to the indigenous tradition. Hakim states that what is shown on these reliefs was not knowledge of electricity known to the dynastic Khemitian priests who had them carved, but a previous understanding of energy known to the ancient Khemitians long before the dynastic periods. He further stated that the baboon, a companion symbol of Djehuti, Thoth, the Neter of wisdom, was holding the knives as a warning. What was being shown was a knowledge of energy known to and utilized by the ancient Khemitians that could be, and had been, abused and misused.

Hakim's explanation of the Dendara reliefs leads us to return to Christopher Dunn's observations inside the Great Pyramid. It has also led to a coalescence of what Dunn stated in his book and what I have proposed in the previous chapter. As mentioned, Dunn has stated he has seen evidence that chemicals were used to produce the hydrogen generated by the Giza Power Plant. Dunn bases his theory on several observations: the first being salt encrustations deposited around the southern shaft on the south wall of the so-called Queen's Chamber, which he believes to be the place where the chemicals were mixed and the reaction occurred, thereby leaving the salt as residue of the reaction.

He also states that the presence of the two shafts entering into the chamber were not for the conveyance of a dead king's soul (as believed by Egyptologists and even alternative theorists), but for the conveyance of the two chemical solutions, proposed by Dunn as possibly being an anhydrous zinc solution and dilute hydrochloric acid. The resulting reaction would produce hydrogen gas and zinc chloride precipitating out as a salt, thus explaining the salt encrustation on the walls of the Queen's Chamber. Dunn also mentions the dark-stained walls of the northern shaft of the chamber, possibly where the acid was deployed and reacted with the limestone walls, indicating two different chemical solutions were used and why two shafts were created.

Northern shaft in Queen's chamber showing dark stains on limestone walls.

Support for Chris Dunn's theory that acid may have been used to produce hydrogen gas in Great Pyramid

Dunn then proposes an "accident" occurred, an explosion in the King's Chamber that virtually ended the utilization of the Great Pyramid as a power plant. In his theory, the chemical reaction took place in the Queen's Chamber and the hydrogen gas was then delivered to the King's Chamber, which resonated in acoustical harmonic resonance with the hydrogen, greatly amplifying and intensifying it. But one day the reaction got out of control, and a great explosion occurred, ending the process. Evidence for the explosion mentioned by Dunn is the bulging out of the granite walls of the chamber and cracks in the granite beams in the ceiling.

Cracks in granite ceiling of King's Chamber.

Egyptian Government has since repaired these cracks. Photo taken in 1992

Egyptologists have explained the cracks in the granite as the result of an ancient earthquake, but as Dunn points out, the evidence for earthquake damage is not consistent. There is no evidence of earthquake damage in the Descending Passage leading to the subterranean chambers, which goes into the limestone bedrock and which would be much closer to the epicenter of an earthquake and should show much more damage than that of the King's Chamber much higher up in the internal structure of the pyramid.

Upon reviewing Dunn's preliminary manuscript (at his request) prior to publication in 1998, I must admit his theory presented some problems. Already having decided, from the influence and insistence of Hakim, that water, Asgat, was the source of the hydrogen and energy of the Great Pyramid, I was greatly impressed with Dunn's logic and observations and had to reconcile these apparently divergent theories. My own personal observations in the Great Pyramid in 1997 and 1998 had led me to agree with Dunn that an accident had indeed occurred in the King's Chamber. The walls of the chamber do obviously bulge out and can be seen to be separating from the floor. I have taken photographs of the ceiling cracks, and no one else but Christopher Dunn has attempted to explain the discoloration of the granite stone box (erroneously referred to as a "sarcophagus") in the chamber. Cut from Aswan rose granite, the box today is a chocolate brown, not the natural color of the granite. Dunn proposes the discoloration is from the accident, a great explosion that caused a chemical reaction in the granite, greatly darkening its color.

Now I can weave this tapestry together and present a hypothesis tying in the last chapter and what I have stated so far in this one. I propose, synthesizing the works of Viktor Schauberger, Johann Grander, Christopher Dunn, and the indigenous teachings of Abd'El Hakim that indeed water was the original medium and source of energy of the Giza Power Plant. When the Per-Neter was originally completed as a functioning power plant, in my opinion well over 20,000 years ago ( Kinnaman had stated he and Petrie found "proof" the pyramid was over 36,000 years old), water was the source of the power, catalytically converted to oxygen and hydrogen in a beautifully controlled implosion reaction.

In our lengthy discussions on the subject, Christopher Dunn had proposed a dilemma for me. If water was the original source for the hydrogen gas used by the Giza Power Plant, then why were there two shafts in the Queen's chamber, the reaction chamber, when only one would be necessary if water was the medium used. The answer came to me after long hours of meditation and thought on the subject. Browsing through my many books with scenes of the temple reliefs, my eyes stopped on one scene which provided the answer.

A familiar scene on many Per-Ba (temple) walls depicts the "king" as the realized initiate, being anointed with water by two of the Neters, Djehuti (Thoth) and Horus. I have called this scene " The Two Waters " and have seen it over and over again since the initial revelation.

Kom Ombo.

Temple of Sobek-Horus.

"The Two Waters", depicting king anointed with water by lunar principle,

Thoth (left) and solar principle, Horus.

In the spirit of Schauberger's elucidation of many different types of water, it has become obvious to me the Khemitians also recognized different waters and were depicting two specific ones in these scenes. Djehuti, although depicted as a male Neter, is a Lunar, feminine principle, wisdom (wisdom is also feminine in the Tibetan tradition). Horus is a Solar Neter, a masculine principle (perhaps that of compassion, as in the Tibetan tradition). It now became clear to me why Hakim had spent so much time showing us two different tunnel systems, one deep underground and the other closer to the surface.

The reason for two shafts to deliver the water into the Queen's chamber is that two types of water were utilized:

a cold water coming from the underground Nile, through the tunnels under the Giza Plateau, lunar in nature, feminine

a heated water coursing closer to the surface through basalt and granite and charged with solar power, masculine in energy, coming through the round and square holes cut into the bedrock for that purpose

This, then, is the meaning of Asgat Nefer in practical usage by the ancient Khemitians. Using both feminine and masculine waters combined provided a Nefer state to produce tremendous amounts of hydrogen in a clean, implosion reaction. This reaction went on for many thousands of years, with a seemingly endless supply of power by virtue of the great pluvials, rainy periods, to produce the water needed for the hydrogen. But something happened, perhaps great periods of drought occurred due to radically decreased rainfall, and the Ur Nil dried up or was radically decreased, resulting in a depletion of the water source. Another possibility is that consciousness declined due to the waning of the senses as the Age of Aten (The Wiser) came to a close and water was abandoned as the source and chemicals substituted, or a combination of both. Whatever the reason, the use of chemicals led to the staining and salt precipitation Dunn mentions, and instead of the creative implosion reaction (as per Viktor Schauberger and Johann Grander) of the wondrous Asgat Nefer, a destructive explosion occurred, as stated by Christopher Dunn.

Therefore, the crypts of Dendara may be telling this exact story of a misuse of a great energy known to the ancient Khemitians and warning of a possible future occurrence. I propose this explosion, this " accident," in the King's Chamber may have occurred between 12,000-6,000 years ago and is a real event that was incorporated into the myth of Atlantis. A problem that does arise with this explanation, and which has been voiced to me in presentations I have given over the last few years, is how could the ancient Khemitians, being in advanced states of awareness and consciousness, have resorted to the use of chemicals and allowed this accident to occur. Further complications with this idea are that the 12,000-6,000 year time frame would be in the Khemitian age of Aten, the time of full use of the senses and flowering of consciousness. I do admit that this is still a problem for me today, but the fact remains that the crypts of Dendara present a warning of the misuse of knowledge and technology and an accident did occur in the Great Pyramid.

With the drying up of their water source, the Ur Nil, the waning of the senses as Aten moved closer to the time of Amen, and the world cataclysmic event occurring around 9500 BC, a collective fear could have forced the ancient Khemitians to resort to the use of chemicals and an explosion reaction for their source of energy and power. As Edgar Cayce stated in his readings, Atlantis fell as the result of a misuse of its power and technology, and a disregard for natural law. The reliefs at Dendara warn about a past misuse of energy, the " Fall of Atlantis." I propose the myth of Atlantis was given to the Greeks as a metaphor for real events that happened in ancient Khemit, and indeed, Khemit and Atlantis were not separate civilizations.

Further explorations into the Khemit--Atlantis connection occurred in 1999. As mentioned in the beginning of this book, I have been for many years interested in the work of George Gurdjieff. A series of articles written by William Patrick Patterson for Telos Magazine entitled " Gurdjieff in Egypt" and a subsequent video released by Patterson with the same title rekindled my interest in Gurdjieff's work. In his second book, Meetings With Remarkable Men, Gurdjieff had stated that he once had seen a map of " pre-sand Egypt" in the possession of an Armenian monk. This map had stimulated Gurdjieff to go to Egypt and search for teachings about human origins in ancient wisdom schools.

Patterson had also been fascinated with Gurdjieff's travels to Egypt and had done extensive investigations of his work. Patterson is convinced that Gurdjieff had seen an image of the Sphinx on the map of "pre-sand Egypt" and went to Egypt to investigate for himself. Of course, I contend that if the map was indeed of a "pre-sand Egypt", it would have contained the pyramids as well as the Sphinx at ancient Giza before the current desert conditions. According to Patterson, Gurdjieff had stated that his teachings had come from a complete system of " Esoteric Christianity" that originated in ancient Egypt many thousands of years before the time of Jesus. I met Patterson at a talk he gave in Denver, Colorado in July of 1999. Both Patterson and I agreed that Gurdjieff might have come in contact with the indigenous tradition over 100 years ago, especially in his extended stay in Ethiopia. Gurdjieff adamantly maintained that the source of all modern esoteric systems had their origins in predynastic Egypt, essentially supporting our paradigms of ancient Khemit.

However, Patterson also mentioned other statements of Gurdjieff that stimulated further investigations on my part. Gurdjieff had stated in his writings and discussions that he had found inscriptions on the walls of the Temple of Horus in Edfu, which is in the south of Egypt, that mentioned the myth of Atlantis. In his articles Patterson mentioned a book by British Egyptologist E. A. Reymond, The Origins of the Egyptian Temple, in which translations of the texts of Edfu were given. Reymond called these inscriptions " The Building Texts " and claimed they were the myths of the origins of ancient temple buildings.

I found Reymond's translations of the Edfu texts to be incoherent and poorly done and decided to discuss these texts with Abd'El Hakim in Egypt. On our tour in October of 1999, we went to the Temple of Horus at Edfu and found the inscriptions on the walls ourselves. It became apparent to us that the texts at Edfu were copies of much older texts, the temple having been built in the Ptolemaic period ca. 200 BC, and were discussing events that had taken place in ancient Khemit many thousands of years before the temple was built. Gurdjieff had stated that the texts spoke of an advanced people, whom Reymond referred to by the standard Orthodox translation of the term Neter, as " Gods" who had come from an island that had been destroyed by a flood and had brought their wisdom to the ancient Khemitians. However, Hakim's interpretation was vastly different. I believe the texts are referring to the time of the ancient Ur Nil over 30,000 years ago when the vastness of the river had turned all of Northern Africa into a series of large islands.

As the Khemitians became united, they moved from island to island, erecting temples and pyramids and creating the ancient Khemitian civilization. Once again, this became a basis for the future myth of Atlantis. Hakim was definite that the texts were not referring to a more advanced non-Khemitian people coming from outside Africa, and teaching the Khemitians how to build in stone. I propose that the ancient people followed the river from the south and the west and formed the union of the 42 tribes in the Land of Osiris, Bu Wizzer, and other ancient sites in the south, such as Edfu and Abydos.

The texts are therefore describing the Khemitian's ascension into higher consciousness, becoming "one" with the Neters, opening their senses and creating high civilization. The texts discuss how the " Neters arrived" from different islands, and began the process of erecting large--scale edifices in stone. We did not find any references to cataclysms, but even so, the ancient Khemitians may have "island hopped" until the 42 tribes united and coalesced into a coherent civilization.

There may have been an advanced island civilization in the Atlantic (or Antarctica, as has been claimed) that perished as a result of the great cataclysm proposed around 11,500 years ago. But it may also be that there were large islands in Northern Africa as a result of the ancient Ur Nil around this same time that were populated by an advanced civilization of ancient Khemitians. The Myth of Atlantis may have referred to the entire Global Maritime Culture that existed in many parts of the world prior to 10,000 years ago, much of which was almost completely destroyed by cataclysmic events. I believe ancient Khemit should be included in that mythology.

Ancient Khemitian priests may have entertained Greek travelers with stories of cataclysms destroying island civilization as an oral history of the Global Maritime Culture that once existed, knowing full well that ancient Khemit was part of that past glory, but not revealing the complete story to the "barbarian" Greeks.

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by Stephen Meher From The Land of Osiris by Stephen Mehler Adventures Unlimited Press, 2001 -chapter 15 The topic of the myth of Atlantis has been the focus of varied books and inquiries ever since Plato brought the concept to the Western world in two of his Dialogues, The Timaeus and The Critias, written in the fourth century BC.

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Summary: This second website i chose since it goes through "patternicity". somewhere in mexico nowhere near Gibraltar (where Atlantis is said to be) someone found a pyramid like alien ship underwater on google maps. now this can be anything but mostly how i see it, just the light hitting the water at a certain angle or a shallow island.

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The structure, estimated as being between 3.5 and 11 miles across, was spotted on Google Earth in the Pacific Ocean just west of Mexico.

A video about the discovery uploaded to YouTube has drawn vast speculation about what it could be, including an ancient sunken city, a bizarre UFO, or even an alien base.

The "discovery" was made by Argentinian Marcelo Igazusta.

He says in a video about the find it is an alien UFO left underwater.

The video commentary described it has being "an intense light in the Pacific Ocean" of 3.5 miles in length, with a shape similar to a plane.

Scott C Waring, an alien conspiracy theorist, said: "It is a perfect pyramid that measures over 8.5 miles across one side of its base. Thats a conservative estimate, it could be up to 11 miles across."

He suggested it could symbolise an ancient civilisation, or even something alien.

He said: "Even if this is not a UFO that landed in the ocean that was being used as an alien base, it still is a monumental discovery.

"A 8.5 mile pyramid...biggest the world has ever known, and it's right off of Mexico, near the ancient Mayan and Aztec pyramids."

His reasoning that aliens might be involved?

He said: "Humans could never have built such a construction. Only aliens could accomplish making such a massive structure."

Case closed?

Viewers of the video have said it could be the site of an ancient submerged city or even Atlantis.

Simon Clark posted that it should be investigated to see exactly what it is.

But another poster pointed out there was no evidence it was anything more than an undersea mountain.

He said: "I don't understand why you're calling this a UFO? It is unidentified, yes (though most likely just the mountains of the sea floor) but it's not flying, so not a UFO."

The fabled Atlantis is an Ancient Greek myth - the name means Island of Atlas - and was first mentioned by the philosopher Plato.

The Atlantis military attempt to storm Ancient Athens but despite overwhelming odds the Atheneans repel them.

The allegory is supposed to suggest that the power of the organised democratic state will beat the power of a tyrannical system - the basic theme of his later work The Republic.

Atlantis and its inhabitants incur the wrath of the gods for the attack and the whole lot is submerged by the ocean, giving rise to the myth.

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Atlantis FOUND? '8.5-mile pyramid' discovered at bottom of the ocean

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The structure, estimated as being between 3.5 and 11 miles across, was spotted on Google Earth in the Pacific Ocean just west of Mexico. A video about the discovery uploaded to YouTube has drawn vast speculation about what it could be, including an ancient sunken city, a bizarre UFO, or even an alien base.

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Summary: The first website of the bunch delves into alot of "red flags" mostly being the location, and time frame jumping between facts and fiction not really identifying itself well for a "factual" website.

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The Lost Continent:

The capital of Atlantis as described by Plato. (Copyright Lee Krystek 2006)

The idea of a lost, but highly advanced civilization has captured the interest of people for centuries. Perhaps the most compelling of these tales is the story of Atlantis. The story appears again and again in books, television shows and movies. Where did the story originate and is any of it true?

Plato's Atlantis

The story of the lost continent of Atlantis starts in 355 B.C. with the Greek philosopher Plato. Plato had planned to write a trilogy of books discussing the nature of man, the creation of the world, and the story of Atlantis, as well as other subjects. Only the first book was ever completed. The second book was abandoned part way through, and the final book was never even started.

Plato used dialogues to express his ideas. In this type of writing, the author's thoughts are explored in a series of arguments and debates between various characters in the story. Plato often used real people in his dialogues, such as his teacher, Socrates, but the words he gave them were his own.

In Plato's book, Timaeus, a character named Kritias tells an account of Atlantis that has been in his family for generations. According to the character, the story was originally told to his ancestor, Solon, by a priest during Solon's visit to Egypt.

There had been a powerful empire located to the west of the "Pillars of Hercules" (what we now call the Straight of Gibraltar) on an island in the Atlantic Ocean. The nation there had been established by Poseidon, the God of the Sea. Poseidon fathered five sets of twins on the island. The firstborn, Atlas, had the continent and the surrounding ocean named for him. Poseidon divided the land into ten sections, each to be ruled by a son, or his heirs.

The capital city of Atlantis was a marvel of architecture and engineering. The city was composed of a series of concentric walls and canals. At the very center was a hill, and on top of the hill a temple to Poseidon. Inside was a gold statue of the God of the Sea showing him driving six winged horses.

About 9000 years before the time of Plato, after the people of Atlantis became corrupt and greedy, the gods decided to destroy them. A violent earthquake shook the land, giant waves rolled over the shores, and the island sank into the sea, never to be seen again.

So, is the story of Atlantis just a fable used by Plato to make a point? Or is there some reason to think he was referring to a real place? Well, at numerous points in the dialogues, Plato's characters refer to the story of Atlantis as "genuine history" and it being within "the realm of fact." Plato also seems to put into the story a lot of detail about Atlantis that would be unnecessary if he had intended to use it only as a literary device.

On the other hand according to the writings of the historian Strabo, Plato's student Aristotle remarked that Atlantis was simply created by Plato to illustrate a point. Unfortunately, Aristotle's writings on this subject, which might have cleared the mystery up, have been lost eons ago.

Location, Location, Location

If we make the assumption that Atlantis was a real place, it seems logical that it could be found west of the Straight of Gibraltar near the Azores Islands. In 1882 a man named Ignatius Donnelly published a book titled Atlantis, the Antediluvian World. Donnelly, an American politician, had come to the belief that Plato's story represented actual historical fact. He located Atlantis in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, suggesting the Azores Islands represented what remained of the highest mountain peaks. Donnelly said he had studied zoology and geology and had come to the conclusion that civilization itself had begun with the Atlantians and had spread out throughout the world as the Atlantians established colonies in places like ancient Egypt and Peru. Donnelly's book became a world-wide best seller, but researchers could not take Donnelly's theories seriously as he offered no proof for his ideas.

As time went on it became obvious that Donnelly's theories were faulty. Modern scientific surveys of the bottom of the Atlantic Ocean shows it is covered with a blanket of sediment that must have taken millions of years to accumulate. There is no sign of a sunken island continent.

Are Pyramids a Clue?

Lewis Spence, a Scottish writer, published several books on Atlantis in the early 20th century. He was fascinated by the pyramids constructed by ancient races in different parts of the globe. Spence wondered if the creation of pyramids in diverse areas such as South America and Egypt indicated that these places had all been colonies of the Atlantis and if the Atlantians were the original pyramid makers. While the idea is interesting, most historians today believe the trend toward building pyramids occurred independently in different locations.

Are there any other candidates for the location of Atlantis? People have made cases for places as diverse as Switzerland, in the middle of Europe, and New Zealand, in the Pacific Ocean. The explorer, Percy Fawcett, thought that it might be located in Brazil.

Atlantis in Spain?

Recently a research team led by Professor Richard Freund at the University of Hartford, has claimed that they have found evidence that the city may be buried not under the ocean, but along the coast of Spain in marshlands of the Doana National Park. Geological studies have shown that at one time this marsh was a huge bay connected to the Atlantic Ocean. The team, using radar technology, digital mapping and satellite imagery believes that they can see signs of a ringed city that once occupied the bay with canals similar to those described by Plato. There is evidence that a number of tsunamis have swept this area over the centuries and Freund thinks that it is one of these destroyed the city. After the disaster survivors may have moved inland and created a number of what Freund thinks are memorial sites to Atlantis.

Other scientists that have explored the area do not agree with Freund's conclusion, though they admit that a city by the name of Tartessos occupied the area around the 4th century B.C.. Freund believes that Tartessos and Atlantis may just be different names for the same city. As far back as the 1920's historian Adolf Schulten had suggested that Plato had used the real city of Tartessos as the source for his Atlantis legend.

The strongest evidence for a real Atlantis, however, is not in Spain, but closer to Plato's home in Greece. This idea started with K.T. Frost, a professor of history at the Queen's University in Belfast. Later, Spyridon Marinatos, an archaeologist, and A.G. Galanopoulos, a seismologist, added evidence to Frost's ideas.

The Minoan Connection

Frost suggested that instead of being west of the Pillars of Hercules, Atlantis was east. He also thought that the catastrophic end of the island had come not 9000 years before Plato's time, but only 900. If this was true, the land of Atlantis might already be a well-known place even in Plato's time: the island of Crete.

Crete is now a part of modern Greece and lies just south of Athens across part of the Mediterranean Sea. Before 1500 B.C. it was the seat of the Minoan Empire. The Minoans dominated the eastern Mediterranean with a powerful navy and probably extracted tribute from other surrounding nations. Archaeological excavations have shown that Minoan Crete was probably one of the most sophisticated cultures of its time. It had splendid architecture and art. A code of laws gave women equal legal status to men. Agriculture was highly developed and an extensive irrigation system existed.

The island of Santorini in a satellite photo that clearly shows the ring left by the volcanos explosion.

Then, seemingly in a blink of an eye, the Minoan Civilization disappeared. Geological studies have shown that on an island we now know as Santorinas, located just eighty miles to the north of Crete, a disaster occurred that was very capable of toppling the Minoan state.

Santorinas today is a lush Mediterranean paradise consisting of several islands in a ring shape. Twenty-five hundred years ago, though, it was a single large island with a volcano in the center. The volcano blew itself apart in a massive explosion around 1500 B.C.

To understand the effect of such an explosion, scientists have compared it with the most powerful volcanic explosion in historic times. This occurred on the Island of Krakatoa in 1883. There a giant wave, or tsunami, 120 feet high raced across the sea and hit neighboring islands, killing 36,000 people. Ash thrown up into the air blackened the skies for three days. The sound of the explosion was heard as far away as 3,000 miles.

The explosion at Santorinas was four times as powerful as Krakatoa.

The tsunami that hit Crete must have traveled inland for over half a mile, destroying any coastal towns or cities. The great Minoan fleet of ships were all sunk in a few seconds. Overnight the powerful Minoan Empire was crushed and Crete changed to a political backwater. One can hardly imagine a catastrophe more like Plato's description of Atlantis' fate than the destruction of Crete.

A fresco from the Minoan palace at Knossos showing the sport of "bull leaping." The Minoan civilization is also the source of the legend of the haf man/half bull Minotaur.

Many of the details of the Atlantis story fit with what is now known about Crete. Women had a relatively high political status, both cultures were peaceful, and both enjoyed the unusual sport of ritualistic "bull leaping" (where an unarmed man wrestled and jumped over a bull).

If the fall of the Minoans is the story of Atlantis, how did Plato get the location and time wrong? Galanopoulos suggested there was a mistake during translation of some of the figures from Egyptian to Greek and an extra zero added. This would mean 900 years ago became 9000, and the distance from Egypt to "Atlantis" went from 250 miles to 2,500. If this is true, Plato (knowing the layout of the Mediterranean Sea) would have been forced to assume the location of the island continent to be squarely in the Atlantic Ocean.

Not everyone accepts the Minoan Crete theory of the story of Atlantis, but until a convincing case can be made for some other place, it, perhaps, remains science's best guess.

Was Atlantis located on the Island of Sardinia? Check Robert Ishoy's website.

According to Plato the temple in the center of Atlantis was dominated by a statue of Poseidon driving six winged horses (Copyright Lee Krystek, 2006).

Copyright Lee Krystek 1997-2006. All Rights Reserved.

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The UnMuseum - The Lost Continent of Atlantis

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The Lost Continent: The capital of Atlantis as described by Plato. (Copyright Lee Krystek 2006) The idea of a lost, but highly advanced civilization has captured the interest of people for centuries. Perhaps the most compelling of these tales is the story of Atlantis. The story appears again and again in books, television shows and movies.

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Post #4 (Video) What if Atlantis existed?

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Post #4 (Video) What if Atlantis existed?

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Video by:
AlternateHistoryHub

Summary:
The last video i chose compliments the 2 other videos by tieing both history and geography together making a theory crafted alternate time asking a smile question that i feel drives the theory of Atlantis. "if it existed and was still around, how would it effect the world". one thing i was kinda iffy about in the video was that he said that if Atlantis was still around or just destroyed by a "natural" catastrophe the following colony around the Atlantic would have inherited some of Atlantis traits and language.

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Post #3 (Video) Atlantis is real...I Guess

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Post #3 (Video) Atlantis is real...I Guess

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Video by: Armoured Skeptic
Summary:
I chose this video next cause it touches on another myth that's like Atlantis. The place called "Lumeria". This Video is not proving that Atlantis is real but more collecting the facts and ordering them to make sense, taking out the more "radical" intervals. For example not only was the Lumeria theory crushed under science but it also claimed that we were a higher race before a certain time only using our right brain (making us all female). not only that but we saw a flying serpent in the sky and followed it thus building Atlantis. the theory goes even farther towards the more "fake" side later in the video.

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video by: Alltime Conspiracies
Summary: This video fits into play for this assignment cause it would have been my own fault for falling into "Confirmation Bias" if I didn't add a contradiction and theory turning argument. in this video, They basically run through the history of "Atlantis and on how they think it was depicted during its time.

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Subject: Atlantis
Name: jahneel Scully